Coronavirus Pandemic

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tufty wrote:Yeah. Ski resorts are a huge melting pot of virus and disease.

No, really, they are. Especially during the school holidays, which are just starting. And I'm not even talking about the toilets.

Thousands of little snot-nosed typhoid marys from all over France and the world, all in close contact, after their "premier étoile". Queues for chairlifts and cable cars Cable cars rammed full of people. etc etc.
.. and yet I am thinking .. "maybe you can't say they are THAT foolish after all" .. I am thinking at those documentaries ( we all seen at least one ) about "preppers" for this and that .. well .. you know what ? If I'd have some more money, which I DON'T, a LITTLE bit of prepping maybe "would not spoil" after all ..

- political instability , check
- pandemic , check
- cataclismis , check
- global warming, check
- collapse of economy, maybe

Who knows .. maybe one day it will turn out that to wear a tinfoil hat wasn't THAT wrong after all ???
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tufty wrote:Yeah. Ski resorts are a huge melting pot of virus and disease.
STIs?
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The cruise ship moored off Hong Kong is out of quarantine.
A fourth case confirmed in the UK.

And while the death toll is now higher than the first SARS outbreak, it is still not a pandemic or serious threat worldwide - yet.
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merman wrote:The cruise ship moored off Hong Kong is out of quarantine.
A fourth case confirmed in the UK.

And while the death toll is now higher than the first SARS outbreak, it is still not a pandemic or serious threat worldwide - yet.
It will never be a serious threat worldwide, it's just not lethal enough to threaten humanity as a whole. It's killed 800+ out of 34,000 infected, that's about one in fifty. It's sad for the people who die and their relatives, but it shouldn't be scaring everybody witless, it's just not quite that dangerous, it's maybe on the scale of the WW1 flu (which was bad), but it's not an infectious Anthrax.
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Still waiting for some mutated virus that is as violent as Ebola, airborne like the flu, and with a proper long incubation period that leaves no time to react before it's a worldwide pandemic. Fun times.

And yes, a little bit of prepping is actually a quite good idea. And if it's only for longer blackout periods or a broken main water pipe.
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zip accident wrote:
merman wrote:The cruise ship moored off Hong Kong is out of quarantine.
A fourth case confirmed in the UK.

And while the death toll is now higher than the first SARS outbreak, it is still not a pandemic or serious threat worldwide - yet.
It will never be a serious threat worldwide, it's just not lethal enough to threaten humanity as a whole. It's killed 800+ out of 34,000 infected, that's about one in fifty. It's sad for the people who die and their relatives, but it shouldn't be scaring everybody witless, it's just not quite that dangerous, it's maybe on the scale of the WW1 flu (which was bad), but it's not an infectious Anthrax.
A fair assessment. SARS killed one in ten at its height.

Eight confirmed UK cases, Brighton GP practice related to one case closed as a precaution.
But to highlight the PANIC... My local hospital shut for two hours on Friday. A gentleman who had returned via Manchester Airport from Europe went to Urgent Care with chest pains. Within minutes a scare story connecting it to the c.....a virus appeared online.
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From bats to pangolins to humans thru Chinese traditional medicine:
“This is an extremely interesting observation. Although we need to see more details, it does make sense as there are now some other data emerging that pangolins carry viruses that are closely related to 2019-nCoV,” says Edward Holmes, an evolutionary virologist at the University of Sydney, Australia.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586- ... c-44210925
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PFVA wrote:From bats to pangolins to humans thru Chinese traditional medicine:
“This is an extremely interesting observation. Although we need to see more details, it does make sense as there are now some other data emerging that pangolins carry viruses that are closely related to 2019-nCoV,” says Edward Holmes, an evolutionary virologist at the University of Sydney, Australia.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586- ... c-44210925
That could be immensely positive for the environment. Much of the poaching that goes on worldwide is for use in traditional chinese medicine, if it turns out that chinese traditional medicine is the source of this virus, it could cut that down by a lot.
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zip accident wrote:That could be immensely positive for the environment. Much of the poaching that goes on worldwide is for use in traditional chinese medicine, if it turns out that chinese traditional medicine is the source of this virus, it could cut that down by a lot.
That would be nice but for your average snake oil merchant it's just another sales pitch for why their stuff is the genuine article, as opposed to the disreputable rogues that caused all this havoc.
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The other day I dreamt that bioweapon from Star Trek Nemesis that instantly makes everyone who gets a particle of it in their lungs rapidly but painfully turn to ash, was real and spreading everywhere. Coronavirus is rather tame by comparison!
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skab wrote:Still waiting for some mutated virus that is as violent as Ebola, airborne like the flu, and with a proper long incubation period that leaves no time to react before it's a worldwide pandemic. Fun times.

And yes, a little bit of prepping is actually a quite good idea. And if it's only for longer blackout periods or a broken main water pipe.
The mutation is the real risk.. ‘they’ keep saying it’s going to happen, one day, sooner or later, and we are overdue..

The incubation time is long enough! Experts say Chiba is fucked, therefore it’s going to go global.. some predicting 60-80% infections worldwide Article

Quick sum..

Reckon it will be about 100 million deaths
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(o)(o) wrote: Quick sum..

Reckon it will be about 100 million deaths
Bollocks.
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Baggypants wrote:
(o)(o) wrote: Quick sum..

Reckon it will be about 100 million deaths
Bollocks.
The 'scientist guy' is saying (possibly) 60 to 80% infected

World population is 7.8bn 60% infected x 2% death rate = 93.6 million.

Death rate may turn out lower but infection rate higher, seems a fair estimate.
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Ah the joys of extrapolating an emerging epidemic at an early stage,

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It's worth reading this article from Bill Nye the Scientist GuyGabriel Leung himself:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/10/opin ... earch.html

Approach it with a level head and an open mind, not the scare mongering of rags like the Grauniad or the Daily Hate. We don't know enough yet, and if the words of the man himself are against this kind of "cacophony of real news, fake news and pseudoscience that feeds uncertainty and breeds panic", I would take the panicky headlines of the tabloids with a massive dose of salt. I haven't even found where they've pulled this 60% figure from. His version of the "TIP OF THE ICEBERG" headline is a little more reassuring:
No. 1 is the “clinical iceberg” question: How much of it is hidden below the surface? Because the outbreak is still evolving, we can’t yet see the totality of those infected. Out of view is some proportion of mildly infected people, with minor symptoms or no symptoms, who no one knows are infected.

A fleet of invisible carriers sounds ominous; but in fact, an enormous hidden figure would mean many fewer of the infected are dying. Usually, simple math would determine this “case fatality” ratio: divide the total number of deaths by the total number of people infected. In an emerging epidemic, however, both numbers keep changing, and sometimes at different speeds. This makes simple division impossible; you will invariably get it wrong.
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It's right that they're advising the world's governments quite sternly though and show them the (unlikely, but if nothing was done) worst case scenario, because otherwise they don't do enough. Better to be over-cautious than complacent with this sort of thing.
We seem to be doing alright in this country, I have a friend (sadly with a few mental health problems and paranoia so he's finding it hard to cope) who was automatically quarantined after travelling at the wrong time, they're really making him wait until they're quite sure he's safe.
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"Don't. Panic." Seconded.

This is worth a listen, from the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p081yn19

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