Coronavirus Pandemic

[merman]

While it is sad two people have died in the UK, both were elderly with underlying conditions...


...so to see reports that people are STEALING hand gel from hospitals is despicable.

I just spent most of the week in hospital, where my wife has undergone major surgery. All has gone well, thankfully.


But the system is stretched, under-resourced and under-staffed.

The Prime Moron visiting a lab and washing his hands badly is no help.

[(o)(o)]

Survival guide.

Essentials ranked in order of need :

1. Fresh water
2. Heating
3. Toilet roll
4. Sanitisers
5. Medicines
6. Food

[gilesgoat]

"16 Million People locked down in Italy" ..

According to news you need "special travel permisions" to travel to/from some of those 16 provinces of Italy deemed as "high risk" Milan is the main city but also Venice, Padova and Treviso and others ...

That's .. really quite a thing .. yet not unexpected.

I am wondering "if anything like that reaches London the whole world is fucked ?".

[Deckard]

Not with a 3.4% death rate its not.

https://www.sciencealert.com/covid-19-s ... hould-drop

[phattslagg]

A 3.4% death rate is fucking huge for something as contagious as this. Also, the knock-on effects of a saturated health service should not be underestimated.

[(o)(o)]

Hopefully the figure is much lower than that with lots of 'mild symptom' carriers not even being recorded. Flipside is that would mean it will spread far and wide.

3.4% of 7.5% of 65m is 165k
0.5% of 80% of 65m is 260k
0.5% of 40% of 65m is 130k

I am reading the virus only get into the nose and throat of most people 80%+. Has to get down your trachea to pose a risk.

[gilesgoat]

Even Trieste now has implemented some "extreme measures" the government has set out some "rules for everyone to follow" including :

"suspended activities in pubs, bars, disco, bingo rooms, etc. " "suspended events and spectacles of whatever nature including cinemas and theaters"
"suspended opening of museums and places of culture" "suspended civil ceremonies, including marriages and funerals and religious (i.e. no more public mass ) "
"ABSOLUTELY OBLIGATORY respect 'the safety distance' " people in places/etc. should stay 1 metre from each other "limit the movement of people only for real necessities".

.. it's .. well ..it's serious .. I can never remember before in my lifetime seeing anything like that being applied in Italy

What worries me a bit is "are we really SO much more safe from all this in Wales/UK" or are here just minimizing a problem that is bigger than what they really want us ( here ) to believe it is ?

What if the number of cases go up ? Will UK be really ready or will it be too late ?

[tufty]

This bears watching.

[PFVA]

30 cases here and 2 of the new are fm Algarve, after a teacher and daughter contracted the virus spending Carnival vacation in Italy.

Pharmacy School in Porto closed, and the History School of a University up North also closed because people contracted the virus in Italy at that time.

It seem that teachers and students travel to Italy a lot during Carnival.

Ow, and our President is staying at home for the nxt 2 weeks because he was in contact with children from another school and one of them was diagnosed with Covid 19. He doesn't have any symptoms it's just to be on safe side. I should mention that everyday at 7am before the start of his work day he goes for a swim in the ocean in Cascais where he lives. Generally people who do that have good immunity to virus and those things.

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But the system is stretched, under-resourced and under-staffed.

You are right but i would add an 's'. The systems in all countries are as you describe. That is the big problem. The containment is being tried because the hospitals and the health cares in Europe, and in the US, etc do not have the capacity to handle thousand of people sick at the same time.

[gilesgoat]

You are right but i would add an 's'. The systems in all countries are as you describe. That is the big problem. The containment is being tried because the hospitals and the health cares in Europe, and in the US, etc do not have the capacity to handle thousand of people sick at the same time.

Two "good things" that are coming out in Italy from all this :

- they are finally trying to improve the "NHS" by hiring more people/re-organizing things, dedicating more funds to

- the "remote work" ( or "work/learn/do things from home using the internet" ) is seriously considered/picking up

As we said many times in Italy "it takes some sort of disaster for things to be seriously considered" .. this is "the disaster" hopefully some people will realize it's not only about watching TV and football and vote for S. "because he speaks of bullshit" .. sometime you really need to consider the really serious issues and DO things.

But sometime "you need something to shake up the system real bad" to see some things happening.

[Rhythm]

One week from Rome. Not personally concerned about the illness in the slightest and quiet Rome would be lovely but now parents (hers in particular) have started getting paranoid AF and are insisting we try to pull out of the trip.

Called the agent this morning and the verdict is the same. Unless the FCO declares Rome a "no fly/travel" zone then we're SoL. So we're faced with the prospect of an "interesting" Rome trip at the expense of pissing off parents vs giving up on the trip entirely and flushing £800 down the bog

[Misfit]

Called the agent this morning and the verdict is the same. Unless the FCO declares Rome a "no fly/travel" zone then we're SoL. So we're faced with the prospect of an "interesting" Rome trip at the expense of pissing off parents vs giving up on the trip entirely and flushing £800 down the bog

I'm with you, but the problem with you'll have is aren't all the major monuments/museums closed?

I've got a weekend with the boys to Majorca on the 20th. My wife is panicking and not wanting me to go.

My daughter has a debating competition at Oxford uni this weekend and she's losing it even more over that.

At least she found some stocks of her favourite Dettol spray today, that made her feel a little better...

[gilesgoat]

OK .. "no panic" BUT .. my friend in Trieste told me that they just had another death in the hospital ...

[Rhythm]

I'm with you, but the problem with you'll have is aren't all the major monuments/museums closed?

A fair amount of it is outdoors, and we can find ways to endlessly entertain ourselves whilst out of the reach of kids/pets etc, so the break itself would be fine

[gilesgoat]

.. shit ...

http://www.regione.fvg.it/rafvg/comunic ... 9164537005

36 NEW contagion cases in Friuli, on a total of 1.344 tests made, for now a total of 93 people infected. Of those 93 people 19 are in hospitals and 3 of them are in intensive therapy, at the moment they are testing other 234 people ..

.. the virus continues ..