Coronavirus Pandemic

[Chontler]

Meanwhile the waters in Venice run clear...

https://twitter.com/FolinAlberto/status ... 0649290758

We should do this every year.

*SSSSH* ! Don't say so .. someone may be listening and ready to release another one .. ..

I could only find a 48 roll pack of bog paper yesterday, so I'm good for 2 years. Bring it on...

[gilesgoat]

Meanwhile the waters in Venice run clear...

https://twitter.com/FolinAlberto/status ... 0649290758

We should do this every year.

*SSSSH* ! Don't say so .. someone may be listening and ready to release another one .. ..

I could only find a 48 roll pack of bog paper yesterday, so I'm good for 2 years. Bring it on...

Are you constipated ?

[Deckard]

So gauche using toilet paper -

[Misfit]

I could only find a 48 roll pack of bog paper yesterday, so I'm good for 2 years. Bring it on...

5 weeks in our house. I think the kids snack on it...

[(o)(o)]

@Deckard Looks good that might have to get one installed !! Paper alone isn't satisfactory IMO

Keep your eyes on the Coronavirus Bill people... drastic powers being drawn up and rushed through for this very fascistic government

[Cloudane]

I'm genuinely scared now because of what I've read about it and the fact I live with parents in their late 60s.

I don't know if your work / life situation would permit it - whether you're capable of working from home in your job, for example - but the logical thing is that you might need to "self-isolate" the entire household, including yourself, even though you don't have it right now.

As the government says that it's going to advise the elderly and vulnerable to self-isolate to protect themselves soon - and, for once, maybe they're learning the lessons of mentioning these things ahead of time, so we can prepare for them like this - and we'll have the "if anyone in the household has it, then the whole household self-isolates" advice soon as well (though this seems common sense to do so anyway, but governments have to account for the idiots and specify it explicitly, I guess). So the logical combination of that is that if you're living with the vulnerable, the whole household should self-isolate together to protect them.

Try sorting things out with whoever you have to sort these things out with, and then commit to the fact that you might well have to self-isolate the entire household, for their benefit.

(Indeed, in the various government advice being given, there has so far been little consideration given to those who might have their elderly relatives living with them - perhaps, for example, in a somewhat caring capacity, as they can't really live on their own.)

I'll at least be finding out their current thinking on working from home. Thing is, this is likely only good for a couple of weeks - I work in IT support and have plenty of web work etc that can be done from home for now if they trust me to but I can't see it being something they'd agree to for 12 weeks if everyone else is in and needing support.

Refusing to work and losing my job would come with its problems and turn me into a burden at home

I could try and find a flat to rent asap or something but obviously these things take time (there are checks etc even if I said "take my money" tomorrow) plus with all this going on I can't say for sure how safe my job is.

It's a really tricky situation. Of course, their lives are more important that my livelihood to option 2 is still on the table but it's also a question of whether an approach so drastic would be overreacting.

[Misfit]

@Deckard Looks good that might have to get one installed !! Paper alone isn't satisfactory IMO

Can't quite believe we're having this conversation, but I agree.

Remember my grandparents used to have a bidet in the bathroom. Never really understood why, but actually it's not a bad idea, although why you'd want a plug, I'm not sure. Obviously integrated is far better.

[gilesgoat]

I work in IT support and have plenty of web work etc that can be done from home for now if they trust me to but I can't see it being something they'd agree to for 12 weeks if everyone else is in and needing support.

If I may ask "do you do/need lot of on site/at customer's support ?" ..

I've been in "IT support" ( AND development the same time ) for a number of years, 90% of cases was "having a flat ear at the phone" did not need to go anywhere and I could have been in Trieste as well as in India would not have made the difference.

Anyway in theory "you can't be fired if you are sick" .. or not ?

[Misfit]

I work in IT support and have plenty of web work etc that can be done from home for now if they trust me to but I can't see it being something they'd agree to for 12 weeks if everyone else is in and needing support.

If I may ask "do you do/need lot of on site/at customer's support ?" ..

I've been in "IT support" ( AND development the same time ) for a number of years, 90% of cases was "having a flat ear at the phone" did not need to go anywhere and I could have been in Trieste as well as in India would not have made the difference.

Anyway in theory "you can't be fired if you are sick" .. or not ?

I don't think it's much of a case of then agreeing, virtually everyone not in a shop is basically being told to do it from home and it can only get more pressured to do so. Companies are going to have to adapt.

[Cloudane]

I work in IT support and have plenty of web work etc that can be done from home for now if they trust me to but I can't see it being something they'd agree to for 12 weeks if everyone else is in and needing support.

If I may ask "do you do/need lot of on site/at customer's support ?" ..

I've been in "IT support" ( AND development the same time ) for a number of years, 90% of cases was "having a flat ear at the phone" did not need to go anywhere and I could have been in Trieste as well as in India would not have made the difference.

Anyway in theory "you can't be fired if you are sick" .. or not ?

IMHO no. Often it's easier to visit desks than try to explain things over the phone and often enough they bugger up the label printers and need you to go sort them out, but most things can be done remotely and I'll hope to get this message across.

My doubt is whether they'll see things the same way and be trusting enough. To give an idea of how much trust they put in the workforce: you clock in and out and there's a bell for break time like a school. The only time I've seen someone trusted to work from home is one who had extremely visible outputs and was already voluntarily working her backside off on an evening at home after a full day at work.

In terms of being fired for being sick no I don't think that's legal but the idea is to prevent getting sick If that happens then the danger is already there and there's nothing I can do other than wash everything like crazy and share as little contact as possible or go do a Captain Oates. I'm not so much thinking "what happens if I GET the coronavirus" as at that point it's too late but "is it feasible to completely avoid most risk"

[tufty]

If I wasn't off work, I'd be shovelling snow by phone.

[Chontler]

@Deckard Looks good that might have to get one installed !! Paper alone isn't satisfactory IMO

Can't quite believe we're having this conversation, but I agree.

Remember my grandparents used to have a bidet in the bathroom. Never really understood why, but actually it's not a bad idea, although why you'd want a plug, I'm not sure. Obviously integrated is far better.

That type you can fill like a sink and splash yourself clean. Makes for a good foot bath too.

[Chontler]

I could only find a 48 roll pack of bog paper yesterday, so I'm good for 2 years. Bring it on...

5 weeks in our house. I think the kids snack on it...

I've always found it was women wrapping it around their hands like a mitten no matter what they did was the main culprit. Now it's just me and the sprog, a roll can stretch 2 weeks. Now I find out they are closing schools in Wales from Friday, so it will be roll a week now. Grrrr.

[tufty]

I've always found it was women wrapping it around their hands like a mitten no matter what they did was the main culprit.

It's not just you.

[Space Cowboy]

Whilst China has had 80K cases, which is an awful lot of people, it's only 0.006% of their 1.3 billion population. South Korea has had 8K cases, but this is just 0.015% of their 51 million population.

And I choose these two because they both report declining numbers now, and their graphs are plateauing.

Not sure I'd believe China. Back in January they told the WHO there was no evidence of human-to-human infection.

As for now ...

Experts skeptical CCP virus epidemic is under control.