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zip accident wrote:Tests and retests. Lots of tests.
Oh, yeah, totally.

But the tests aren't there yet. And the current tests take days to be processed.

That's definitely where everyone needs to be - which is why I've been repeatedly mentioning how South Korea flattened their outbreak by going absolutely wild on "testing, testing, testing" on a scale that makes everyone else look like they're not even trying (like an order of magnitude greater than everyone else. But, as has been pointed out in various media about this, South Korea had SARS - or perhaps we should say the original SARS, as technically this coronavirus is labelled as "SARS-COVID-2" because it is also a "severe acute respiratory syndrome", which is what SARS stands for - and they learnt a lot of lessons from that to know that you need to instantly jump on mass-testing, and had the various apparatus and know-how to ramp that up super-fast, because they'd done it before and kept the systems in place) - but the simple fact is that the reality does not meet the ideal yet, and everyone is desperately trying to ramp up the scale of testing as fast as they can.

The UK government was talking about an antibody test - which tests for whether someone's got the antibodies, and therefore had it but recovered and would have immunity to further infection (for at least a while, as we still don't know how long-lasting the antibodies might be yet) - and that would be exactly what we need to "clear" people who're not a problem anymore, who can then all go back to work and such.

That would pretty much be what you're asking for here. But, basically, they've only just been approved - because you've got to double-check that these new tests actually do work or they're useless and a waste of taxpayer money, of course - and started purchasing them last night. It was mentioned by Matt Hancock on Question Time last night.

I think the problem here is that you understandably want clarity and action right now. This instant.

But the simple truth is that this is not currently possible. The antibody test has only just been approved and starting to ship last night. And it will naturally go to health workers, pharmacists, care workers and other key workers first, because those people we really need to "clear" as soon as possible, so they can all get back to the fight on the frontline.

(And I do believe that the antibody test was pioneered in the UK, so absolutely nobody has had this particular test yet.)

The current tests for COVID-19 itself take days to process. There was also mention from the government that there are newer tests that speed this up drastically. But, again, those are coming online and being scaled up. Tests have to be designed, tested to actually work, manufactured and that manufacturing scaled up to the massive, massive amounts we actually need - we all want that to be instant, but the simple reality is that setting things up and getting it running takes time.
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KlaxonCow wrote:… technically this coronavirus is labelled as "SARS-COVID-2" because it is also a "severe acute respiratory syndrome", which is what SARS stands for …
There are more similarities than just the symptoms. SARS-CoV-2 has been so named because it is considered to be a strain of the same SARS-CoV species.

As for having separate queues for people known to have had the disease and recovered, those queues would currently consist of only 0.0001% of the UK population.
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I just heard from a very good friend of mine very very high in the civil service that everyone is in lockdown for 2 weeks a week this Monday. She is usually pretty good with her info. That would certainly allow the food chain to reset.
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But won't help with panic buying unless they spring it on us at the last minute. In which case it will just be panic buying with added illegality and a bit a violence.

I reckon we're only days from supermarket looting.
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Deckard wrote:I just heard from a very good friend of mine very very high in the civil service that everyone is in lockdown for 2 weeks a week this Monday. She is usually pretty good with her info. That would certainly allow the food chain to reset.
we can but hope. Sadly suspect delay has been to manage the economic blow. My suspicion is based on the face that Johnson starts by talking about the economy and what they are doing to keep it going rather than the population.

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Deckard wrote:I just heard from a very good friend of mine very very high in the civil service that everyone is in lockdown for 2 weeks a week this Monday. She is usually pretty good with her info. That would certainly allow the food chain to reset.
This has turned into a running joke on Twitter..

"My dogs friends aunties dog said the army ... " etc

However like you my source is well connected to people very high up. Also somebody who is blasé about the whole thing but was clearly shaken.

I think iut's indicative of leaks from Whitehall - and my message was basically "I shouldn't really be telling you this, but I'm sharing with a few people I care about... "

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If its just two weeks i could do it now as have enough food and supplies most days for a week or two and certainly enough media to last me the rest of my life !
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Deckard wrote:I just heard from a very good friend of mine very very high in the civil service that everyone is in lockdown for 2 weeks a week this Monday. She is usually pretty good with her info. That would certainly allow the food chain to reset.
Even in lockdown trips to supermarkets and pharmacies have been the only permissible trips out of one's house, so over-shopping could still be a distinct problem
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I also presume if this is sorted by the end of the year that you will need a sign off from a doctor etc to say virus free for any national flying or going into another country....
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On another note, anyone know if/when the streaming reductions are gonna hit us? Youtube and Netflix have both responded to a request from the EU that they'll drop bitrates by at least 25%. Any idea if we're included in their view of the EU during this transition period?
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i thought that had already happened as saw endless whining last night on the macrumours site - why haven't I got a 25% cost reduction etc. etc etc
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Rhythm wrote:On another note, anyone know if/when the streaming reductions are gonna hit us? Youtube and Netflix have both responded to a request from the EU that they'll drop bitrates by at least 25%. Any idea if we're included in their view of the EU during this transition period?
Pretty sure they already have. I definitely saw a reduction in quality on Netflix last night.
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Fuck the virus imagine the carnage if Netflix went down !
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Deckard wrote:Fuck the virus imagine the carnage if Netflix went down !
Imagine this now .. there are rumours in Italy there's going to be a shortage of cigarettes ...
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Important hand washing advice:

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