Coronavirus Pandemic

[The ghost of raids past]

300 m if introduced in the UK would mean I would starve to death. There are no shops within 300 m

[gilesgoat]

300 m if introduced in the UK would mean I would starve to death. There are no shops within 300 m

Well IF possible, well in Carmarthen for example you have shops within 300m .. outside the city .. well no ..

[Cloudane]

We have a shop within 300m but it's a Mccolls corner shop so we'd go bankrupt...

[PFVA]

Giles, what i heard about Lombardia is that they cannot take the dog for a walk further than 300 meters from the house.

[gilesgoat]

Giles, what i heard about Lombardia is that they cannot take the dog for a walk further than 300 meters from the house.

I'll re-check tomorrow ( she's in bed now ) with the person that passed me the info, she told me you are supposed not to walk more than 300m - if possible - to go for shopping basically 'any non-strickly necessary movement'.

All I can find atm online is the fine of 5000 eur if you found out 'for non justified reasons'.

[Space Cowboy]

A family member living in France is only allowed to leave the house to go to the shops, for food, or for exercise but only 1 - 2km from where she lives. They have to carry ID with address on them as well.

In other news, the paramedic I know shared with me some information they got from a colleague who's the trust lead on COVID19. Can't / won't share details but the key phrase that stood out for me was "if the public knew just how bad this thing is going to get in a very short time then people would not be taking chances". Also said that they've been involved in high level meetings before but the ones they're holding now have "quite frankly" left them scared.

[KlaxonCow]

[tufty]

A family member living in France is only allowed to leave the house to go to the shops, for food, or for exercise but only 1 - 2km from where she lives. They have to carry ID with address on them as well.

That's pretty much it.

Every time you go out, you have to print and sign a form stating where you are going and why. There isn't a fixed limit to distance, which means we can still go to the supermarket, which is a good 10km away, but if I was caught, say, 50km away "going shopping" I'd get fined. It's fairly reasonable. There is not an electronic equivalent, but you can do a handwritten note containing the same information.

Carrying ID isn't new, of course, anywhere other than the UK.

You're allowed to go out to :

- Go to work if it's necessary and you can't telework (and for which you need a second paper justifying it, but that's not on a trip-by-trip basis)
- Buy "products of necessity" : food, basically
- Go to the doctor, hospital or chemist
- Carry out imperative family matters - caring for pensioners, dealing with care of children.
- Short trips "close to the house" for individual exercise and for, example, walking the dog.

And that's it.

The individual exercise thing covers walking and running, and no further than one or two kilometers. Cycling is banned, for some reason.

[Little stoned kiwi]

Cycling has been banned in places, particularly recreational such as mountain biking, to prevent injuries that require hospitalisation.

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[KlaxonCow]

We all knew it.

Because the original "herd immunity" plan was mathematically and scientifically complete and total madness of the highest order - making Nero fiddling while Rome burnt seem almost perfectly reasonable in comparison - and only the Dunning-Kruger mentality of Dominic Cummings, who thinks he's fucking Einstein with his game theories for having watched "A Beautiful Mind" once, would have the sheer arrogance of raw ignorance to think his "off-the-wall weirdo thinking" somehow trumps every epidemiologist and medical scientist from every nation on Earth simultaneously.

It was just a case of waiting for a whistle-blower to confirm it. But it had to be him, because who else possesses that level of bulletproof arrogance to pursue such insane ignorance?

Thank fuck that the scientific community - lead, in name, by Oxford University for credence - were able to bash Boris around the head with some proper data modelling that has rightly scared him into getting with the consensus behind the WHO plan, which is the only way this can go well. And, yes, as you sit in self-isolation, with the daily reports of the death stats, I'm afraid to say that this is "things going well". That's how scarily shit-your-pants atrocious the alternatives are in comparison.

He's guilty of manslaughter by gross negligence, in truth. Not that I can imagine there's a legal way to actually prosecute that.

How many days did Boris dither before properly slamming on the brakes? When our curve starts plateauing, go back that many days and then count up the deaths in the intervening. As it's at least that many people his ignorance, and his arrogant refusal to be told better by those who actually know better than him, is responsible for unnecessarily murdering.

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It was just a case of waiting for a whistle-blower to confirm it. But it had to be him, because who else possesses that level of bulletproof arrogance to pursue such insane ignorance?

Meet the softly spoken psycho pulling the Cummings mouth-strings.

[gravy]

Probably worth noting that this is from today's Sunday Times who are pretty reputable.

[Deckard]

I cannot believe how bad the Times has gone in partisan politics over the last few years to be honest - got it every day for over a decade and it's reporting has certainly become far far more political lately. It's treatment of Corbyn in the last election was akin to The Sun. Its Sunday Times housing supplements about 2nd, 3rd and 4th homes is borderline offensive. It rarely does any expose of current government failings like the HS2 or tax scams or the ineptitude of the current virus handling....

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Probably worth noting that this is from today's Sunday Times who are pretty reputable.

Tim Shipman aswell.

Edit : @Deckard, You might find Richard Murphy's blog left leaning but a good read IMO. Enjoyable frequency of spelling errors too.

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/richard-murphy/