Coronavirus Pandemic

[VNVObit]

@deckard @(o)(o)

personally found John Harris's series "anywhere but Westminster" very good as tended to be more balanced and not afraid to speak to both sides.

[Mat]

Re: The Times / Sunday Times; never forget that they are first and foremost, Murdoch-owned.

[Deckard]

Isn't he dead yet ? Although for some reason he always reminds me of Mr.Burns.

[gravy]

Entire article here, lifted from behind the paywall

https://twitter.com/Robert___Harris/sta ... 7131572224

[Harlequin]

(Via Trumpton).

[gilesgoat]

.. I have a friend living around Zagabria ..

They just had a 5.3 magnitudo heartquake .. I managed to grab him on Skype .. his words :

its the apocalypse here
downtown looks like 1945
my building is without water
the building where our office is is crumbling
and the pandemic ofc

.. amazing ..

[Harlequin]

(Via Yak).

[(o)(o)]

Interesting that countries where there has been mass testings.. and we can (reasonably) trust their results...

Germany, elderly population, death rate 0.3%...
South Korea, 633 test stations, drive thru tests, death rate 0.6%...

And allegedly :



(Behind paywall.. haven't read article..)

Could it be that covid19 has spread much further and wider than the data suggests, and the death rate is far lower than we think?

Alternative explanations would seem to be geographical differences in ;
* Strains
* Localised immunity
* Genetic immunity
* Too tired to think of others..

Edit : :@VNVOrbit thanks for John Harris tip off.. will watch.. I note he has an explainer 'why Labour lost' in that series look forward to comparing with George Monbiot's take

[PFVA]

One seaside town up north closed all accesses to it because tons of people decided to invade their promenade this afternoon. Another town not far from it facing the same problem.

Link to the news (in Portuguese) with a picture
https://24.sapo.pt/atualidade/artigos/c ... emergencia

Cases officially up to 1600 with 14 dead.

Note: I have been following up on the use of chloroquine to treat it, first in China and now in France. I'm familiar with that from malaria.

[Harlequin]

Interesting that countries where there has been mass testings.. and we can (reasonably) trust their results...
Germany, elderly population, death rate 0.3%...
South Korea, 633 test stations, drive thru tests, death rate 0.6%...

The South Korean figure is nearly twice that at 1.16%, compared to Germany's 0.3756%.

Could it be that covid19 has spread much further and wider than the data suggests, and the death rate is far lower than we think?

That would depend on what we think. The current global figure of 4.276% of confirmed cases is almost certainly much higher than the percentage of all cases. I would currently guess that the latter might be between 1% and 2%. Even 1%, though, would still an order of magnitude above influenza, which I think itself is far less infectious than COVID-19.

Alternative explanations would seem to be geographical differences in ;
* Strains
* Localised immunity
* Genetic immunity
…

See also https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... es-experts.

One seaside town up north closed all accesses to it because tons of people decided to invade their promenade this afternoon. Another town not far from it facing the same problem.

Our BJ is threatening to take similar measures over here after many people gathered at holiday destinations.

[RiK]

[tufty]

Note: I have been following up on the use of chloroquine to treat it, first in China and now in France. I'm familiar with that from malaria.

They've been getting problems with chloroquine poisonings in Lagos after Trump touted it as a cure.

AFAIK, it's not yet been proven to do anything WRT COVID-19. If it is, though, that would be great. It's well known, and easy enough to manufacture in large doses.

[gilesgoat]

In Italy "they know very well all this", I've seen videos they actually showed around what happens to people once you are in intesive care .. .. it's a lottery with death ..

What worries me here is at this point not really the government that much any more that at least seems "it's getting the message" but still the attitutide of some people .. like it or not at least every 2 weeks we have to go one day out to buy some food, hoping to find some even that despite all the "No panic" things seems to be a problem.

And when you go out you risk to get exposed/enter in contact with the stuff and seeing that "the personal logic seems not to apply" i.e. people don't follow the rules every time you go out is a risk.

So what the heck can you do ?

[PFVA]

I would say people in Lagos should know that chloroquine has some dangerous side effects specially in hugh dosages. They have to take it for malaria down there.

[Harlequin]

[Edit of last post]

… Even 1%, though, would still be an order of magnitude above influenza, …