Coronavirus Pandemic

[Harlequin]

Oops!

Coronavirus May ‘Reactivate’ in Cured Patients, Korean CDC Says

The coronavirus may be “reactivating” in people who have been cured of the illness, according to Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

About 51 patients classed as having been cured in South Korea have tested positive again, the CDC said in a briefing on Monday. Rather than being infected again, the virus may have been reactivated in these people, given they tested positive again shortly after being released from quarantine, said Jeong Eun-kyeong, director-general of the Korean CDC.
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Fear of re-infection in recovered patients is also growing in China, where the virus first emerged last December, after reports that some tested positive again -- and even died from the disease -- after supposedly recovering and leaving hospital. There’s little understanding of why this happens, although some believe that the problem may lie in inconsistencies in test results.

[Cloudane]

Ah fuck I hope not. What are we supposed to do if it just keeps popping back up? :/

On the "conspiracy theory" side of things, I can't help thinking all this with Boris is a bit... suspiciously under wraps, especially as anyone who's into nursing etc says "you simply don't go into ICU to just sit up in bed and have a bit of oxygen as a precaution". But if faking his near death experience gets people to take isolation seriously.... well, I can understand why they'd do it. It's a deception I could probably shrug off.

[WiteWulf]

I have to say I think the whole Boris thing is most likely a publicity stunt, a well-intentioned one, at that.

[Harlequin]

Oh, and after thinking about this for weeks, I finally created it. I should have done so days ago, really.

[KlaxonCow]

especially as anyone who's into nursing etc says "you simply don't go into ICU to just sit up in bed and have a bit of oxygen as a precaution".

Again, Occam's Razor.

You do sit up in an ICU bed, having a bit of oxygen as a precaution, right next to a ventilator, just in case, when you're the Prime Minister.

Sure, if you're a mere pleb, then no bloody way. That ICU bed is way too valuable right now. And having your own personal precautionary ventilator on standby? Who do you think you are? The Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern... oh, right, yeah.

I'm loathe to give them credit for some grand Machiavellian scheme of genius, when these fuckers have clearly screwed up the basics of their response by twiddling their thumbs for two months - with a "plan" that was obviously designed as if this was just an extended seasonal flu, which it isn't - and who ended up with most of the "top team" in self-isolation.

This is not Machiavellian genius, but sheer bloody incompetence.

And the PM being shifted to ICU to get special elite treatment - with, no doubt, his own personal doctor and team of nurses - is just, you know, because he's the PM and not a mere pleb. And also, I don't doubt, a very large degree of everyone in government shitting themselves that their laggard stupidity on all of this could well have ended up killing the boss.

(The only reason he's in an NHS hospital and not getting private medical care is because you can't have that kind of a PR disaster right now, while everyone's clapping the carers every night. But, hey, you can basically give him the equivalent of all the privileged trappings of private medical care, but just do it inside an NHS-badged hospital, so it looks like the PM's "slumming it" as the rest of us plebs do. But he totally isn't, of course.)

[WiteWulf]

Yup, nailed it. Of course he gets preferential treatment, regardless of your personal opinion of the guy, he's still the one in charge of the country, so it makes sense to keep him alive.

[Deckard]

Any other day he would have headed straight to a private BUPA hospital I bet.

[gilesgoat]

FOOKING HELL ALEX JONES IS RIGHT !!

OFFICIAL COMMUNICATION FROM THE REGION/GOVERNOR OF FRIULI VENEZIA GIULIA !

http://www.regione.fvg.it/rafvg/comunic ... 0162128002

Basically, they created for iOS/Android "the same app used in Korea" to track down movements of people, "to locate and track the spread of the virus".

You have to install it and log in using ( a sort of - similar ) your "SSN number" and some info, so that univocally identifies you, the app then records/tracks all your movements AND the people you get in touch with using bluethooh and cell phone information.

A quote :

a ogni soggetto che la scarica viene infatti assegnato un codice numerico identificativo totalmente anonimo e la tracciatura dei movimenti avviene attraverso il bluetooth. Solo nel caso in cui un cittadino dovesse risultare positivo al Covid-19, le strutture sanitarie saranno gli unici soggetti autorizzati a decriptare il suo codice identificativo e quelli dei soggetti con i quali è entrato in contatto".

"To each subject is assigned an uniquely numeric identifier totally anonymous and the movements tracking happens via bluethoot. Only in the case a person would result positive to Covid-19, the NHS will be the unique subject authorized to decript his/her identificative ( get your name and such ) and those of the subjects you been in touch with".

They say for the moment the use of the app is "at your discretion" (i.e. you can install it or not ) but there are already talks to make it obligatory and/or "if you want to go out for work you must have it" or shit like that.

Please note that contrary to UK, so far, Italy is literally "full of police" and especially in Friuli they seems to be "particularly nasty/zaelous" to fine and intimidate people that are out "for not properly specified reasons".

Also ( those names ring to me far too many bells ) :

La app, concessa alla Regione a titolo gratuito dalla multinazionale Accenture, è stata adattata alle specificità del territorio, e alle vigenti leggi in fatto di tutela della privacy, da parte della società regionale Ict Insiel spa che ne sta testando l'efficacia su un campione di quasi trecento cittadini.

"The app is given in concession to the Region free from the multinational Accentur ... and the regional society Insiel SPA" ..

Now "Insiel" is a very well know company / too complex story to explain .. let's say simply "I can see lot of lobbing, mafia and incredible political shit going on here" ...

This is really "Big Brother is Watching you" .. big scale ..

[PFVA]

What happens to people like myself who don't have internet on the mobile?

[Little stoned kiwi]

Why would they have to use an app? For a start, there's Google and Apple. Or they can trace your phone movements based on the cellphone tower it's connected to.
China doesn't need phones. They have facial recognition systems.

[Cloudane]

As much as I dislike the Tories, I think that's the sort of extreme shit that wouldn't fly with them. Could be wrong though. I know the reds wouldn't do any better given the explosion in CCTV and other Big Brother stuff came in while they were in power.

[gilesgoat]

Why would they have to use an app? For a start, there's Google and Apple. Or they can trace your phone movements based on the cellphone tower it's connected to.
China doesn't need phones. They have facial recognition systems.

... it's the end of freedom as we know it ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52246319

"Coronavirus: Apple and Google team up to contact trace Covid-19" ..

.. read it .. you won't even need to install any app, it would happen in the next os update I suppose ...

[tufty]

You are free not to have a phone.

[Cloudane]

They do address privacy concerns, though I trust Apple with privacy more than Google.

[Harlequin]

As much as I dislike the Tories, I think that's the sort of extreme shit that wouldn't fly with them. Could be wrong though. I know the reds wouldn't do any better given the explosion in CCTV and other Big Brother stuff came in while they were in power.

Mass surveillance with a disregard for privacy seems to be more a left thing than right. See the English Socialism of Nineteen Eighty-Four. The old apparent conflict between "individual rights" and the curtailing of them for the "common good". See also Trump's reaction in the article Giles linked.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52246319
"Coronavirus: Apple and Google team up to contact trace Covid-19" ..
.. read it .. you won't even need to install any app, it would happen in the next os update I suppose ...

The two companies have released details of the cryptography specifications they plan to use to safeguard privacy, and details of the role Bluetooth will play.

They hope this will convince activists their approach can be trusted.
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Phase two of the initiative involves building contact-tracing capabilities into the iOS and Android operating systems. Users could then switch the capability on and off again without having to download an app at all.

… The facility would be delivered via a future system software update. But the companies have yet to say when this would occur.

n the months after the API is complete, the companies will work on building tracing functionality into the underlying operating system, as an option immediately available to everyone with an iOS or Android phone.

(Emphases mine).