Coronavirus Pandemic

[PFVA]

Social distancing with temps going a little bit over 30C in the sun:

30+ºC Social Distancing

The metropolitain area of Lisbon continues to be the one where the number of cases are increasing particularly the Sintra Municipality. And in that area where they had problems with a slaughter house, another company, this time the one who owns Continente Supermarkets had 70 cases in one of their departments. Previously they had had 10 in another. In the North of the country things seems to have quieted down. Algarve so far hasn't had big problems, nor has Madeira Island. And in the same areas of the interior they haven't had any cases at all.

[gilesgoat]

*SNIP*
Right now, social distancing is our ONLY weapon. Disarming yourself too early is dumb.

And that's in short my point, understanding that economy and such IS too a problem and "you can't keep thing forever closed" you have to find some ways to cope with but also "opening too early" or "opening like all is gone" is semi-suicide.

If they open and people start to feel/think "it's all gone now, we can return back to things as they were" ... it could spell disaster.

Well yes the pleague .. killed from 30% to 60% of Europe population ...

Coronavirus .. well .. "could continue to kill who knows how many people until only those that someway are less affected by it remain".

At this point is really :

- keep guard high
- keep safe
- check the numbers
- wait and see
- survive
- hope you won't be "on the side of those that will die"

What else ? Has any government did better ?

[Harlequin]

[VNVObit]

on what, by staggering coincidence, happens to be the wife's birthday.

Really? I didn't know that.

Well, I'm convinced. It's definitely 100% bullshit. No question.

The excuse actually calls into question his worth as an advisor.

He decided to test his eyes were up to the job by driving to Barnard Castle which

1) he was not in a fit state to be driving a car
2) put his wife and child (the reason he had driven 260 miles to Durham) at risk
3) put other road users at risk

not sure I'd want an advisor that in order to keep his family safe put them at risk. I know he looks for counter intuitive approach but that is just taking the piss

[Foozwah]

The excuse actually calls into question his worth as an advisor.

He decided to test his eyes were up to the job by driving to Barnard Castle which

1) he was not in a fit state to be driving a car
2) put his wife and child (the reason he had driven 260 miles to Durham) at risk
3) put other road users at risk

not sure I'd want an advisor that in order to keep his family safe put them at risk. I know he looks for counter intuitive approach but that is just taking the piss

Yep, it is just such total bullshit. And weak bullshit at that; makes "the dog ate my homework" seem like a work of Machiavellian genius, strategy-wise.

Thing I wonder is, is it piss-weak because it's the best he and his could come up with, or is it piss-weak because he know that there'll be a couple of days of hullabaloo and then the media and everyone else will just lurch off to pontificate on the next disaster, and he'll just get away unpunished, in the grand Tory tradition...?

[Harlequin]

The excuse actually calls into question his worth as an advisor.

Are you suggesting that, "We agreed that we should go for a short drive to see if I could drive safely," is an irresponsible, irrational or even imbecilic, statement? Shurely not.

Having now read a transcript of his statement I see that a previous footnote of mine was founded on a misunderstanding. He said that the urination incident took place on the return journey from Barnard Castle and that he left the car on both occasions, the first time because he felt sick (which sounds to me a reason not to leave the confinement of the vehicle, let alone return to work the next day) and the second because... his wife and son were playing in the woods? They needed help with the boy's zipper? He needed to protect them from a pack of wild squirrels? That bit seems unclear.

Also:

The regulations make clear, I believe the risks to the health of a small child were an exceptional situation … I thought that if I did not develop symptoms, then I might be able to return to work to help deal with the crisis … I was involved in decisions affecting millions of people, and I thought that I should try to help as much as I could do.

This work apparently included taking part in Sage meetings and helping to draw up those very regulations. It may seem odd, therefore, that he was not aware of the following as explained by the deputy chief medical officer for England:

"… if the individuals do not have access to care support - formal care support - or to family, they will be able to work through their local authority hubs."
…
She used the examples of an elderly person with no supply of medication, or a child with both parents too unwell to provide medical care.
"Risk to life" would be a valid reason to break lockdown rules, Dr Harries said.

which suggests a more obvious and immediate emergency than vague suppositions of both parents becoming so severely unwell in a hypothetical future as to risk the life of their child when one of them is currently displaying mild symptoms with no cough or fever and the other is asymptomatic and thinking of returning to work. Mind you, the virus does appear to affect brain function in some people. Perhaps it blocked that part of his memory.

Thing I wonder is, is it piss-weak because it's the best he and his could come up with, or is it piss-weak because he know that there'll be a couple of days of hullabaloo and then the media and everyone else will just lurch off to pontificate on the next disaster, and he'll just get away unpunished, in the grand Tory tradition...?

The Grauniad and Mirror have been working on this story for over six weeks. I doubt that they will let it slide in the near future.

[gilesgoat]

He decided to test his eyes were up to the job by driving to Barnard Castle which

That's one of the shittest excuses I ever heard in my life ... kinda funny in a weird way

So applying this logic THE ADVISOR OF BORIS JOHNSON SAYS THAT :

- I decided to test if I was drunk or not enough , so I drove 50 miles as fast as I could on a highway

- I decided to test if I was infected or not, so I went to a gathering with 50 people giving as many hugs and kisses as possible, then I waited 2 weeks to see the results

- I decided to test if knives hurt, so I went to a park and stabbed 10 random people in random ways

- I decided to test if fire is actually a danger, so I set on fire 10 random houses in a poor neighbourhood

- I decided to test if people are really STUPID, so I became Boris Johnson advisor and started "advice him" as I pleased ..

The last test proven that .. well .. I let you figure it out

[Foozwah]

Thing I wonder is, is it piss-weak because it's the best he and his could come up with, or is it piss-weak because he know that there'll be a couple of days of hullabaloo and then the media and everyone else will just lurch off to pontificate on the next disaster, and he'll just get away unpunished, in the grand Tory tradition...?

The Grauniad and Mirror have been working on this story for over six weeks. I doubt that they will let it slide in the near future.

Wish I had your faith, man. I just see too many of these arseholes getting away with it, right across the world these days. Sticking up a middle finger to the population at large, taking a huge shit all over any concept of accountability, then continuing on their merry way once the dust settles. They're fucking laughing at us all, cos they know they're protected and they'll be just fine in the long run.

Would love to be proven wrong though.

[gilesgoat]

Thing I wonder is, is it piss-weak because it's the best he and his could come up with, or is it piss-weak because he know that there'll be a couple of days of hullabaloo and then the media and everyone else will just lurch off to pontificate on the next disaster, and he'll just get away unpunished, in the grand Tory tradition...?

The Grauniad and Mirror have been working on this story for over six weeks. I doubt that they will let it slide in the near future.

Wish I had your faith, man. I just see too many of these arseholes getting away with it, right across the world these days. Sticking up a middle finger to the population at large, taking a huge shit all over any concept of accountability, then continuing on their merry way once the dust settles. They're fucking laughing at us all, cos they know they're protected and they'll be just fine in the long run.

Would love to be proven wrong though.

DO NOT VOTE FOR THEM !!!

[Barney]

I see a huge amount of outrage on twitter et al, people seem to be really really pissed.

But then, I saw a lot of anti-tory sentiment prior to the last election that made the result seem a foregone conclusion, and look at how that turned out.

[F-ZeroOne]

WHO is suspending trials of hydroxychloroquine after a study found a link to increased heart problems and possibly deaths from its use.

[Harlequin]

He decided to test his eyes were up to the job by driving to Barnard Castle which

That's one of the shittest excuses I ever heard in my life ... kinda funny in a weird way
…
- I decided to test if fire is actually a danger, so I set on fire 10 random houses in a poor neighbourhood

- I decided to test if people are really STUPID, so I became Boris Johnson advisor and started "advice him" as I pleased ..

The last test proven that .. well .. I let you figure it out

"We agreed that we should go for a short drive to see if I could drive safely." That must have seemed so much more sensible to him than "We agreed that we should see if I could drive safely before going for a sixty mile drive." Just as much as needing to test his eyesight in the first place because otherwise his wife might be burdened with having to drive them back to London.

The Grauniad and Mirror have been working on this story for over six weeks. I doubt that they will let it slide in the near future.

Wish I had your faith, man. I just see too many of these arseholes getting away with it, right across the world these days. Sticking up a middle finger to the population at large, taking a huge shit all over any concept of accountability, then continuing on their merry way once the dust settles. They're fucking laughing at us all, cos they know they're protected and they'll be just fine in the long run.

Would love to be proven wrong though.

I think those two papers, at least, will continue to cover it as much as they can. Whether they manage to keep the story strong in the public mind long enough to force a resignation and/or inquiry could be another matter.

WHO is suspending trials of hydroxychloroquine after a study found a link to increased heart problems and possibly deaths from its use.

These "Trump Enemy" studies are getting everywhere these days. The WHO must be determined to stop Donald's friends from making money.

[merman]

The Grauniad and Mirror have been working on this story for over six weeks. I doubt that they will let it slide in the near future.

Or, in other words, the Government have been covering it up for six weeks. Including at least two direct questions from journalists at daily briefings in April about Dominic Cummings' whereabouts - and a whole plethora of ministers standing up for him without knowing all the facts.

Junior Minister Douglas Ross has resigned over how it has been handled, showing once and for all this is just some "leftie plot" and manufactured outrage.

[Harlequin]

[tufty]

The study is the one published in The Lancet, I believe, which was a study of something close to 100,000 patients treated across the globe. There have been criticisms, mainly that those treated with "the hydroxy", as Citrus Don would have it, were those with more severe symptoms and thus those with a worse likelihood of successful treatment. This has, however, apparently been taken into account in the analysis. What's hilarious is that Didier Raoult, the anti-vax, bullying, and, above all, self-publicising cherry-picker of results behind the original French study, has been all over the press calling this study "shitty". His own study, of course, covered 24 patients, wasn't blind or double-blind, didn't have any control group, and ignored the patients who died.