Trump

[Rubisco]

1. I never mentioned social media. I mentioned the fact that there has not been major fraud involving postal ballots at US elections.

2. Twitter are being socially responsible by fact-checking the President. Trump is not socially responsible at all. Compare and contrast with Facebook/Mark Zuckerberg's contention that it is not Facebook's responsibility to fact-check.

3. Social media crosses borders, as does the Internet. Who regulates it? Does one country have the right to impose different rules on it?

4. Trump's Executive Order/tantrum might actually be against the US Constitution. Would you rather I cheer for that?

Unaccountable billionaires currently regulate it. That this current crop of billionaires are socially responsible is by the sheer chance that the tech boom occurred in California. Their political stance is an anomaly amongst the mega-rich, it's dangerous to assume that these type of people will always hold the power that you're currently enjoying them wield against Trump.

[tufty]

The white supremacists are not joining with the protesters. They are occupying the highest ranks of the government, the police force, the district attorney's office, and they are enforcing white supremacy through the state.

There's that, and the fact that, amongst the armed, black-clad "protesters" are the armed, black-clad "proud boys" and "oath keepers". There, presumably, because they are firmly on the side of "the blacks". I mean, what other reason could there be for them to be there?

[Harlequin]

It would seem that quite a few clearly identifying and obedient journalists reporting from various states have been getting arrested or directly fired upon at short range (with rubber bullets or gas canisters) by police officers while standing on quiet streets or among peaceful protesters. This, apparently, was not an isolated case:

[KlaxonCow]

Here's the police in Kentucky firing pepper bullets directly at a reporter and her crew:



And here's the cops firing at some civilians on their front porch:



The cops seem really, really keen to avoid anyone recording what they're doing, for some reason.

[Ratsoap]

https://twitter.com/LasVegasLocally/sta ... 04992?s=20

Just randomly collaring passers by for no apparent reason.

It's nothing new though. Iain Thomlinson, anybody?

[Harlequin]

https://twitter.com/LasVegasLocally/sta ... 04992?s=20

Just randomly collaring passers by for no apparent reason.

Followed by telling the person filming, "You're next. You're next."

https://www.instagram.com/p/CA14rooHIC6

[Rubisco]

The white supremacists are not joining with the protesters. They are occupying the highest ranks of the government, the police force, the district attorney's office, and they are enforcing white supremacy through the state.

There's that, and the fact that, amongst the armed, black-clad "protesters" are the armed, black-clad "proud boys" and "oath keepers". There, presumably, because they are firmly on the side of "the blacks". I mean, what other reason could there be for them to be there?

It'll be both "proud boys" and "antifa", and they'll also be false-flagging the fuck out of each other.

Beware anybody who wants to insist it's all one or the other.

[Rubisco]

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/05 ... rgh-riots/

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – Pittsburgh Police are searching for 20-year-old Brian Bartels for breaking the windows out of a Pittsburgh Police car.

According to Police, Bartels broke the windows against the wishes of peaceful protesters.

Pittsburgh Police, along with Shaler Police, North Hills SRT, and FBI Pittsburgh served a search warrant at a home in Shaler on Sunday.

Bartels was not there but investigators found evidence that linked him to the protests.

He is facing charges institutional vandalism, rioting, and reckless endangerment of another person.

A warrant has been issued for his arrest.



I've got my rainbow socks and I'm ready to go
Got a homophobe president to overthrow
A sexist and a racist, he's the one we all know
A goddamn, filthy, daughter-fucking Cheeto

I've got my rainbow socks and I'm ready to go
Got a corporate clown to overthrow
You call yourself a winner? I say you're a joke
You say Trump rally, I say freak show
America was never great
And you won't change that with your hate
And just some advice you should take
It's not called locker room banter, it's just called rape

If you're angry and gay
And you've got something to say
Scream, "Fuck Trump/Pence!" on Election Day
If you're angry and gay
Let's give 'em hell to pay
We're gonna fuck shit up on Election Day

I've got my rainbow socks and I'm ready to see
A homophobe VP get his ass beat
You think that you can try to shock the gay out of me?
You'd be shocked to see how many guys I did last week
I just don't understand why you'd even give a shit
Is it Jesus, or the money, or just that you're a prick?
Tearing families apart
From worse to worst, take your pick
I'll cum a rainbow on your face when you're sucking on my dick

[Chorus] 2x

But when more "gays" are shocked
And more "blacks" are shot
When you've got your wish
And the bathrooms are blocked
When your bills are passed
And natives are gassed
Your daughter's assaulted, wife is harassed
Will you understand?

[Chorus] 2x

https://diminishedsecond.bandcamp.com/t ... ry-and-gay

[tufty]

Turned himself in.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/crime ... 2006010073

[F-ZeroOne]

I'm gradually coming to the conclusion that Donald Trump is the ultimate mall ninja. He loves fetishising over the military, hes constantly proclaiming over having the best weapons, and he continually fantasizes over how they might be deployed.

He has also now tweeted that the "United States of America" will be designating "Antifa" a "terrorist organisation". Leaving asides the fact "Antifa" is more like a protest movement than an actual organised group, I can think of a couple of occasions in recent human history where people protesting against facists were labelled as "terrorist organisations". Hint: they were usually labelled so by facists. Theres also the irony that the "United States of America" was once just about the biggest anti-facist organisation on the planet.

[Rubisco]

I'm gradually coming to the conclusion that Donald Trump is the ultimate mall ninja. He loves fetishising over the military, hes constantly proclaiming over having the best weapons, and he continually fantasizes over how they might be deployed.

He has also now tweeted that the "United States of America" will be designating "Antifa" a "terrorist organisation". Leaving asides the fact "Antifa" is more like a protest movement than an actual organised group, I can think of a couple of occasions in recent human history where people protesting against facists were labelled as "terrorist organisations". Hint: they were usually labelled so by facists. Theres also the irony that the "United States of America" was once just about the biggest anti-facist organisation on the planet.

If those who label themselves anti-fascist are simply harmless anti-fascists protesting against fascists then maybe it wasn't such a good idea to tear down the Antifaschistischer Schutzwall.

[F-ZeroOne]

Yes, I get the point about the Soviet Union - I nearly made a similar point myself but was trying to keep things simple - though I was previously unaware that was a name for the Berlin Wall. There are always going to be examples like that but the main point I was trying to make is that the USA used to be on the side of the Western idea of anti-facism itself.

[Harlequin]

If those who label themselves anti-fascist are simply harmless anti-fascists protesting against fascists then maybe it wasn't such a good idea to tear down the Antifaschistischer Schutzwall.

Just as socialists should never have opposed the German National Socialists?

Would a rose by any other name smell as sweet as a wine called Sulphur Fart?

[Rubisco]

Yes, I get the point about the Soviet Union - I nearly made a similar point myself but was trying to keep things simple - though I was previously unaware that was a name for the Berlin Wall. There are always going to be examples like that but the main point I was trying to make is that the USA used to be on the side of the Western idea of anti-facism itself.

The main point I was trying to make is that antifa are not on the side of the Western idea of anti-fascism. They're explicitly anarcho-communists.

They believe the only way to achieve racial equality is through anarcho-communism and they believe that the way to achieve that anarcho-communism is through political violence.

Saying everyone who is anti-fascist is Antifa is like saying everyone wearing a brown shirt is a Brownshirt.

[F-ZeroOne]

Okay, I'll take the point again. Its probably that the idea in my head of what "anti-facism" means is different to what some of these groups believe it is. However, I think its worth pointing out that "antifa" is used in some cases to try and dismiss "anti-facism" of the type I consider "anti-facism" as non-legitimate.