Trump

[F-ZeroOne]

And lets face it - Trumps "antifa" tweet has nothing to do with "antifa" in any case.

[merman]

He can call in the military to deal with protests about minority rights, but he lets the white guys run around with guns.

He can call a curfew to stop protests against him, but won't maintain the lockdown to protect Americans against coronavirus.

He can stand there with a Bible as a photo op, but showed no compassion in ordering the police to use tear gas on a peaceful protest so he can get to the church and cynically use it.

Trump is the worst.

[KlaxonCow]

[Foozwah]

He can call in the military to deal with protests about minority rights, but he lets the white guys run around with guns.

He can call a curfew to stop protests against him, but won't maintain the lockdown to protect Americans against coronavirus.

He can stand there with a Bible as a photo op, but showed no compassion in ordering the police to use tear gas on a peaceful protest so he can get to the church and cynically use it.

Trump is the worst.

Not only would I be prepared to bet any amount of money that Trump has never actually read the Xtian bible, I'd take some fairly high wagers he's never read more than two pages of it. Possibly not even one.

When Trump was asked in an interview to expound on one of his favourite chapters from his self-proclaimed "favourite book", he responded “I wouldn’t want to get into it. Because to me, that’s very personal,” he said. “The Bible means a lot to me, but I don’t want to get into specifics.”

Asked if he could at least choose between the New and Old Testaments, he again deflected: “Probably equal. I think it’s just incredible.”

Once in a radio interview he managed to remember at least one favourite line. Sort of. “Well, I think many. I mean, when we get into the Bible, I think many, so many. And some people, look, an eye for an eye, you can almost say that. That’s not a particularly nice thing. But you know, if you look at what’s happening to our country, I mean, when you see what’s going on with our country, how people are taking advantage of us, and how they scoff at us and laugh at us.”

At a church service in Iowa, Trump attempted to put money in the communion plate. Previously he had said it was a process he was familiar with, and was quoted as saying he would often “drink his little wine and “take his little cracker”.

And yet despite all of the above and more, in 2016, he won 81% of the white evangelical vote.

It seems that literally all he had to do was say the Bible was his favourite book, and occasionally be photographed holding one (often backwards or upside down) and that's more than enough for an overwhelmingly large number of dumb-fucks, apparently.

[Jamesac]

Yes, I get the point about the Soviet Union - I nearly made a similar point myself but was trying to keep things simple - though I was previously unaware that was a name for the Berlin Wall. There are always going to be examples like that but the main point I was trying to make is that the USA used to be on the side of the Western idea of anti-facism itself.

The main point I was trying to make is that antifa are not on the side of the Western idea of anti-fascism. They're explicitly anarcho-communists.

They believe the only way to achieve racial equality is through anarcho-communism and they believe that the way to achieve that anarcho-communism is through political violence.

Saying everyone who is anti-fascist is Antifa is like saying everyone wearing a brown shirt is a Brownshirt.

None of this is true.

"Antifa" is a right-wing bogeyman. It's a label used to justify the military roll-out, but what it actually means is simply anti-fascist. I'm not saying there aren't anarcho-communist groups looking to perpetrate political violence, but rather that, while they may exist and can be classified as antifa, they are not capital-A Antifa. There's no such thing as capital-A Antifa, in exactly the same way there's no such thing as the horrible tentacly beast residing in the shadows of the closet or under the bed.

[WiteWulf]

Not only would I be prepared to bet any amount of money that Trump has never actually read the Xtian bible, I'd take some fairly high wagers he's never read more than two pages of it. Possibly not even one.

So what we're saying here is that Trump actually has one redeeming feature after all: he's not religious

[tufty]

Not only would I be prepared to bet any amount of money that Trump has never actually read the Xtian bible, I'd take some fairly high wagers he's never read more than two pages of it. Possibly not even one.

So what we're saying here is that Trump actually has one redeeming feature after all: he's not religious :lol:

It could be a redeeming feature, were he not pretending to be religious in order to appeal to the rabid nutters.

As for reading 2 pages of the bible, I'm not sure he's read 2 simultaneous pages of anything since leaving school, and maybe going back as far as "the cat in the hat". He has lawyers for the contracts, and insists on his briefings being one pagers.

[gilesgoat]

Yes, I get the point about the Soviet Union - I nearly made a similar point myself but was trying to keep things simple - though I was previously unaware that was a name for the Berlin Wall. There are always going to be examples like that but the main point I was trying to make is that the USA used to be on the side of the Western idea of anti-facism itself.

The main point I was trying to make is that antifa are not on the side of the Western idea of anti-fascism. They're explicitly anarcho-communists.

They believe the only way to achieve racial equality is through anarcho-communism and they believe that the way to achieve that anarcho-communism is through political violence.

Saying everyone who is anti-fascist is Antifa is like saying everyone wearing a brown shirt is a Brownshirt.

None of this is true.

"Antifa" is a right-wing bogeyman. It's a label used to justify the military roll-out, but what it actually means is simply anti-fascist. I'm not saying there aren't anarcho-communist groups looking to perpetrate political violence, but rather that, while they may exist and can be classified as antifa, they are not capital-A Antifa. There's no such thing as capital-A Antifa, in exactly the same way there's no such thing as the horrible tentacly beast residing in the shadows of the closet or under the bed.

.. check the history of Italy around 1970 about the "Red Brigades" and "Black Brigades" .. groups of terrorist/militant communist/etc.

After many many years "it's now quite consesus" those were actually groups "artificially created and supported" by some secret services in USA, the reasoning was that Italy that time was "too filo-Russia" and "much closer to Russia than what it was to USA".

And USA wanted to put his own military bases in Italy at all costs so they created a situation of "the bad communist groups look what they do to you".

Now if you think about it, quite possibly if in those years you would have gone around saying "this is all a master plan from USA to make you feel communism is bad for you and they want to control our economy/etc. " you would have sounded PRECISELY like Alex Jones today .. or sort of ..

But history and facts then proven .. THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY REAL , IT WAS "a master plan" to put a food/hold into Italy and come as "the ones that saved you from the very bad communist here is our HELP".

So if you tell me that USA can "take something and amplify it and twist it for its own purposes/benefits" .. HELL THAT'S WHAT THEY DO *ALWAYS* ALL THE TIME, TO ANYONE !

"America first" OH YEAH when it comes down to money and benefits for them, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT !

[Harlequin]

Not only would I be prepared to bet any amount of money that Trump has never actually read the Xtian bible, I'd take some fairly high wagers he's never read more than two pages of it. Possibly not even one.

So what we're saying here is that Trump actually has one redeeming feature after all: he's not religious

Or perhaps he just demonstrates that being an atheist is not a virtue.

[Rubisco]

Yes, I get the point about the Soviet Union - I nearly made a similar point myself but was trying to keep things simple - though I was previously unaware that was a name for the Berlin Wall. There are always going to be examples like that but the main point I was trying to make is that the USA used to be on the side of the Western idea of anti-facism itself.

The main point I was trying to make is that antifa are not on the side of the Western idea of anti-fascism. They're explicitly anarcho-communists.

They believe the only way to achieve racial equality is through anarcho-communism and they believe that the way to achieve that anarcho-communism is through political violence.

Saying everyone who is anti-fascist is Antifa is like saying everyone wearing a brown shirt is a Brownshirt.

None of this is true.

"Antifa" is a right-wing bogeyman. It's a label used to justify the military roll-out, but what it actually means is simply anti-fascist. I'm not saying there aren't anarcho-communist groups looking to perpetrate political violence, but rather that, while they may exist and can be classified as antifa, they are not capital-A Antifa. There's no such thing as capital-A Antifa, in exactly the same way there's no such thing as the horrible tentacly beast residing in the shadows of the closet or under the bed.

The irony is that when a young Muslim gets radicalised by a disparate group of Islamists with no central command structure, nobody says "there's no such thing". Antifa are shielded by the very white privilege that they decry.

It doesn't mean simply anti-fascist. It's a contraction of Antifaschistische Aktion. And the original Antifa weren't even referring to Hitler, they considered the SPD to be the "fascists". In modern terms Antifa meant "anti-social-democracy".

[Harlequin]

It doesn't mean simply anti-fascist. It's a contraction of Antifaschistische Aktion. And the original Antifa weren't even referring to Hitler, they considered the SPD to be the "fascists". In modern terms Antifa meant "anti-social-democracy".

Again, what is in a name? How democratic is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea? How many Nazis were socialists? How many people who label themselves antifa are aware of the history behind it, let alone associate themselves with it?

[Rubisco]

It doesn't mean simply anti-fascist. It's a contraction of Antifaschistische Aktion. And the original Antifa weren't even referring to Hitler, they considered the SPD to be the "fascists". In modern terms Antifa meant "anti-social-democracy".

Again, what is in a name? How democratic is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea? How many Nazis were socialists? How many people who label themselves antifa are aware of the history behind it, let alone associate themselves with it?

The people who up until recently were the only ones being described as Antifa still exist. Dressing up in black bloc attire, latching onto protests, attacking people and damaging property, carrying flags emblazoned with the Antifaschistische Aktion logo.

How are we to describe the phenomenon now? We can't refer to Antifa using the word Antifa any more because some ignorant people have hijacked the term?

[gravy]

It doesn't mean simply anti-fascist. It's a contraction of Antifaschistische Aktion. And the original Antifa weren't even referring to Hitler, they considered the SPD to be the "fascists". In modern terms Antifa meant "anti-social-democracy".

Again, what is in a name? How democratic is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea? How many Nazis were socialists? How many people who label themselves antifa are aware of the history behind it, let alone associate themselves with it?

The people who up until recently were the only ones being described as Antifa still exist. Dressing up in black bloc attire, latching onto protests, attacking people and damaging property, carrying flags emblazoned with the Antifaschistische Aktion logo.

How are we to describe the phenomenon now? We can't refer to Antifa using the word Antifa any more because some ignorant people have hijacked the term?

I think you’re describing Andrew Ngo videos rather than reality. Antifa’s dedication to anarcho communism is ascribed to Antifa rather than subscribed to by it. They’re a highly diverse group of people that it’s hard to generalizations about beyond saying they’re not keen on fascism

[F-ZeroOne]

Its very hard to escape the conclusion that the only thing Donald Trump believes in is himself. He might have won the Republicans the Presidency, but I'm pretty sure - although he shares a lot of that partys worst traits - he isn't one. Hes a Trumpian.

[Jamesac]

Yes, I get the point about the Soviet Union - I nearly made a similar point myself but was trying to keep things simple - though I was previously unaware that was a name for the Berlin Wall. There are always going to be examples like that but the main point I was trying to make is that the USA used to be on the side of the Western idea of anti-facism itself.

The main point I was trying to make is that antifa are not on the side of the Western idea of anti-fascism. They're explicitly anarcho-communists.

They believe the only way to achieve racial equality is through anarcho-communism and they believe that the way to achieve that anarcho-communism is through political violence.

Saying everyone who is anti-fascist is Antifa is like saying everyone wearing a brown shirt is a Brownshirt.

None of this is true.

"Antifa" is a right-wing bogeyman. It's a label used to justify the military roll-out, but what it actually means is simply anti-fascist. I'm not saying there aren't anarcho-communist groups looking to perpetrate political violence, but rather that, while they may exist and can be classified as antifa, they are not capital-A Antifa. There's no such thing as capital-A Antifa, in exactly the same way there's no such thing as the horrible tentacly beast residing in the shadows of the closet or under the bed.

.. check the history of Italy around 1970 about the "Red Brigades" and "Black Brigades" .. groups of terrorist/militant communist/etc.

After many many years "it's now quite consesus" those were actually groups "artificially created and supported" by some secret services in USA, the reasoning was that Italy that time was "too filo-Russia" and "much closer to Russia than what it was to USA".

And USA wanted to put his own military bases in Italy at all costs so they created a situation of "the bad communist groups look what they do to you".

Now if you think about it, quite possibly if in those years you would have gone around saying "this is all a master plan from USA to make you feel communism is bad for you and they want to control our economy/etc. " you would have sounded PRECISELY like Alex Jones today .. or sort of ..

But history and facts then proven .. THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY REAL , IT WAS "a master plan" to put a food/hold into Italy and come as "the ones that saved you from the very bad communist here is our HELP".

So if you tell me that USA can "take something and amplify it and twist it for its own purposes/benefits" .. HELL THAT'S WHAT THEY DO *ALWAYS* ALL THE TIME, TO ANYONE !

"America first" OH YEAH when it comes down to money and benefits for them, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT !

https://www.thenation.com/article/activ ... -trump-fbi

FBI report backing up everything I said earlier. Antifa is a right-wing boogeyman, and Trump's excuse to play military strongman in the hopes that somehow it will bring his micropenis back to life. If it's a US plot to create a "Them!" to rally against it's going terribly, with zero interdepartmental communication. I suppose it's not much of a surprise that Trump can't manage a cointelpro operation.

Anyway, "antifa" is a contraction of anti-fascist, just like Pokemon is a contraction of Pocket Monsters. That's it, that's the whole story behind the word, and the attempt to demonize it is going off the rails in the face of concentrated evidence that the violence at the protests is mostly instigated by a combination of white-boy racist fuckers and police.