Trump

[Dio]

Brexit is a funny one because not so much of it was provably wrong in a serious way.

[gilesgoat]

Brexit is a funny one because not so much of it was provably wrong in a serious way.

No but I am talking about all the missed promises.

[Ollie]

That's historically not been true in this country. Being caught in an outright lie required a correction or a resignation.

Only in Parliament, and even that doesn't seem to be the case any more.

[Dio]

Brexit is a funny one because not so much of it was provably wrong in a serious way.

No but I am talking about all the missed promises.

Missed promises have never counted. There are always excuses for those. You can always protest "the situation changed" and the like. But outright lies have never been put up with.

[Dio]

That's historically not been true in this country. Being caught in an outright lie required a correction or a resignation.

Only in Parliament, and even that doesn't seem to be the case any more.

Indeed to the latter. The former is not that true. Briefing attributable lies has always been career-interrupting and even unattributable ones has been a tactic to be used with extreme caution. Of course, to some extent they relied on the press to simply make up the lies for them.

[tufty]

Brexit is a funny one because not so much of it was provably wrong in a serious way.

No but I am talking about all the missed promises.

Missed promises have never counted. There are always excuses for those. You can always protest "the situation changed" and the like. But outright lies have never been put up with.

350 Million per week for the NHS.

He's Prime Minister now.

[Dio]

That's one of the rare ones that was provably wrong about Brexit. And fits into the pattern of lying not having consequences.

[Rubisco]

That's one of the rare ones that was provably wrong about Brexit. And fits into the pattern of lying not having consequences.

Lying has consequences if people feel misled.

Feeling that other people have been misled isn't the same thing.

[Harlequin]

Missed promises have never counted. There are always excuses for those. You can always protest "the situation changed" and the like. But outright lies have never been put up with.

350 Million per week for the NHS.
He's Prime Minister now.

That's one of the rare ones that was provably wrong about Brexit. And fits into the pattern of lying not having consequences.

Was there anything actually untrue stated in that case, though? IIRC, the amount being paid to the EU was a half-truth (omitting the money that the EU gives back to us). The rest of the bus message was phrased as a rhetorical question without making any promise that it would happen or even if it were possible.

[(o)(o)]

IIRC, the amount being paid to the EU was a half-truth (omitting the money that the EU gives back to us).

Cummings is really quite impressive in his obtuse stupidity. Has he convinced himself to believe in these half truths through tortuous logic?



As previously mentioned, Matthew Elliot was the real mastermind behind the Leave campaign. He was the Chief Executive. He has the background as a political strategist, and a founder of the TaxPayers' Alliance, Big Brother Watch, Business for Britain, Conservative Friends of Russia etc.

Cummings background OTOH is an education is in history. Based on what I've seen (esp stuff like his "how we won brexit!" speech) Cummings is impressionable and egotistical enough to be coerced into 'believing' in rubbish, and as witnessed will sit there and cockily stand firm on patently ridiculous positions. He makes an excellent decoy for misdirection. Whilst the country rails against Cummings, Elliot lurks in the wings awaiting his appointment in a significant government position..

Senior advisor to the chancellor for example. One of the most influential positions in the country. When Cummings falls, do not be surprised if the real forces behind Brexit emerge from the shadows as the fall guys slip away (including Johnson - who never had a vision - except being "King"). It is worth knowing what those who are really pulling the strings are about. Just one article :

https://www.desmog.co.uk/2018/11/18/matthew-sarah-elliott-uk-power-couple-linking-us-libertarians-and-fossil-fuel-lobbyists-brexit

[Rubisco]

Was there anything actually untrue stated in that case, though? IIRC, the amount being paid to the EU was a half-truth (omitting the money that the EU gives back to us). The rest of the bus message was phrased as a rhetorical question without making any promise that it would happen or even if it were possible.

It also omitted the rebate, can we really be said to be paying that in the first place? As money is imaginary I suppose you can conceptualise the rebate money being paid and immediately bouncing back.

It's all moot though, as nobody was convinced to vote leave by that bus who wouldn't also have been convinced by a more correct figure. It's still a 9 figure sum whatever maths you use. If you're not taking into consideration the increase in tax receipts brought in by the increase in GDP that comes from free trade then all such figures look unreasonable. Nobody was doing those sums and deciding £350 million was too much.

The rest of the message was "Vote Labour".

[Harlequin]

IIRC, the amount being paid to the EU was a half-truth (omitting the money that the EU gives back to us).

Cummings is really quite impressive in his obtuse stupidity. Has he convinced himself to believe in these half truths through tortuous logic?

From the evidence in that video, I would say no. Both his verbal and body language suggest attempting a purposely disingenuous argument of semantics against physical reality and resorting to stubborn obfuscation and repetition when he sees that it is failing.

It also omitted the rebate, can we really be said to be paying that in the first place? As money is imaginary I suppose you can conceptualise the rebate money being paid and immediately bouncing back.

I was referring to the rebate. As in the video that (o)(o) posted, it more or less follows that concept in accounting terms despite not taking place in physical reality.

[Harlequin]

Many of us may be familiar with the incident seen around 0:55 here:


The Gold Dictator has responded:

Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?

[Dio]

Trump can spell 'provocateur'???

[gilesgoat]

Trump can spell 'provocateur'???

Did he take a French course ? Oui ?