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Actually wait wait wait wait ... I think "we don't get well what you want" and/or "if we get it right is weird".

I ( Giles ) tough you wanted a button to go "instantly" on "restart best" when you die without to go the faffle to go throught the menu, I was thinking in adding a thing like "press B to continue" at the end of the game over stage that would put you in "restart best" of the level you were currently playing.

Jeff seems to understand you'd like an "instant reset game" while playing that would allow you to restart the level "exactly how you played it" before you get killed ( or anyway get restarted it "immediately" ) .

We both think "what you ask for is a weird feature" "never seen in any game" and also I think "could give too much avantage for chasing scores ?" ..

"It does not make sense" for us, "continue game" ( after you lost all you lifes ) "makes sense" .. "instant reset in the middle of the game" .. not ..

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT ??

[edit] - this "sounds almost" like you'd have a "save point" before you die and you'd like an "instant reload from it" .. .. but that's NOT "how and arcade game works" !

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gilesgoat wrote:Actually wait wait wait wait ... I think "we don't get well what you want" and/or "if we get it right is weird".

I ( Giles ) tough you wanted a button to go "instantly" on "restart best" when you die without to go the faffle to go throught the menu, I was thinking in adding a thing like "press B to continue" at the end of the game over stage that would put you in "restart best" of the level you were currently playing.

Jeff seems to understand you'd like an "instant reset game" while playing that would allow you to restart the level "exactly how you played it" before you get killed ( or anyway get restarted it "immediately" ) .

We both think "what you ask for is a weird feature" "never seen in any game" and also I think "could give too much avantage for chasing scores ?" ..

"It does not make sense" for us, "continue game" ( after you lost all you lifes ) "makes sense" .. "instant reset in the middle of the game" .. not ..

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT ??
The first one would be great. The second one is what I did in GR++. I'd like it but it's harder to explain to end-users.

Personally, I'd be happy with either :) I'm pretty sure Trials on console had an instant restart

And to be clear, this is a request for something that'd be nice not a complaint about something that's ruining the game

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Yes, trials had something similar. B to instantly go to last checkpoint that weird square button to restart

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gilesgoat wrote:Actually wait wait wait wait ... I think "we don't get well what you want" and/or "if we get it right is weird".

I ( Giles ) tough you wanted a button to go "instantly" on "restart best" when you die without to go the faffle to go throught the menu, I was thinking in adding a thing like "press B to continue" at the end of the game over stage that would put you in "restart best" of the level you were currently playing.

Jeff seems to understand you'd like an "instant reset game" while playing that would allow you to restart the level "exactly how you played it" before you get killed ( or anyway get restarted it "immediately" ) .

We both think "what you ask for is a weird feature" "never seen in any game" and also I think "could give too much avantage for chasing scores ?" ..

"It does not make sense" for us, "continue game" ( after you lost all you lifes ) "makes sense" .. "instant reset in the middle of the game" .. not ..

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT ??
The first one would be great. The second one is what I did in GR++. I'd like it but it's harder to explain to end-users.

Personally, I'd be happy with either :) I'm pretty sure Trials on console had an instant restart

And to be clear, this is a request for something that'd be nice not a complaint about something that's ruining the game
I am working now on the first one "Continue" that simply would allow you to .. continue .. "without faffling with the menus", basically a "restart best from the level you just were in".

The second one seems "a weird feature" you say "Trials" .. maybe but THEN I think "there should be a separate LB for Trials" because otherwise I think that would really give you "too much advantage over others" and also I think makes "a strange type of game", I could see if more as a "Training mode" but then again I still think "would give you too much advantage" that's not the way you play an arcade game :lol:

The other thing I am adding in 1.07 is a few more "launch flags" so once you know what you really want you can add a thing in command line and totally bypass "the launcher".

In a future I'll do a completely different version where that "OS launcher" won't be there at all but would be all done in pure graphics.
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The "restart current level" option from within the game wouldn't give any advantage. All it does is save you time having to go through menus/options/waiting. If I go back to replay a level (to improve lives/score) then if I lose a life I obviously don't want to carry on playing that level as I am already most likely doing worse than my previous attempt.
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Just to be clear - you would restart the level from scratch, you wouldn't restart the level from the point you died.
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bcass wrote:Just to be clear - you would restart the level from scratch, you wouldn't restart the level from the point you died.
I am having already "smegload of problems" to implement it at the game over .. I would not dare to try it "in game" there's too much shit going on ..

( asked Jeff he SCREAMED that "he's not going to touch it" so it's all on me .. )
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OK, just wanted to clarify what I was getting at. Obviously, restarting from the point you died *would* be cheating! But that is not what I was asking for.
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gilesgoat wrote:"Insert coin(s) to continue" 8)
* wonders if there could be a potential income stream in "Purchase IAP to Continue"
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bcass wrote:Unfortunately, that isn't how the Moose Life launcher works. It pops-up every time you launch the game. There are no graphics options in the game itself.
That's something that most games have (in-game graphics options) so needs sorting out.
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bcass wrote:Unfortunately, that isn't how the Moose Life launcher works. It pops-up every time you launch the game. There are no graphics options in the game itself.
That's something that most games have (in-game graphics options) so needs sorting out.
TL;DR .. "the fundamental problem would be switching on the fly between things", to make one, for example, I did ask once in the OCULUS DEVELOPER FORUM ( ... .. .. ) "how about switching between VR and NON-VR" to had the reply "Rift is NOT DESIGNED TO WORK THAT WAY/DO IT" ..

But anyway "I have some plans for the future" however the only "game options" could be "window/non-window" ( another stramassive pain in the arse to handle real time switch ) and video res, there would be not that much.

Essentially handling video modes changes "on the fly" is a stramassive PITA that add many levels of complications.

But as I said I am adding some "launch flags" to bypass it once you know what you want, in the future I'll think something completely different, for now it's like that.


[edit] - actually MOST games I've seen today seems to say "yes you can change some options BUT they'll happen next time you'll restart the game" OR force you an immediate restart.
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gilesgoat wrote:"Insert coin(s) to continue" 8)
* wonders if there could be a potential income stream in "Purchase IAP to Continue"
As far as I know, there were already some games in the past that tried ( and failed ? ) PRECISELY THAT !
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BTW, is there an album of the music being released on bandcamp this time round? There are a couple of tracks I would like in FLAC format.
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bcass wrote:BTW, is there an album of the music being released on bandcamp this time round? There are a couple of tracks I would like in FLAC format.
I think Gribbles is working on it.
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As a score chaser myself in the normal/classic modes of the Llamasoft games I'll replay levels (or sections in T4K) until I get them right for max lives or max scores. In Moose Life I already restart if I miss a sheepie or when I didn't improve a level after completion. So for me a restart that starts at the level you began your run at makes the most sense. So if I want to improve e.g. level 15 and mess up during the level I can hit restart and replay level 15 from the start, but also when I complete level 15 did not improve and I'm now in level 16 I can restart in level 15 to try again. In Pure and Freeride hitting hitting restart would then have you start in level 1 again.

I must say that I don't need a restart because quit and start again doesn't take more than a few seconds. I would probably use it though ;)
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gilesgoat wrote:
bcass wrote:Just to be clear - you would restart the level from scratch, you wouldn't restart the level from the point you died.
I am having already "smegload of problems" to implement it at the game over .. I would not dare to try it "in game" there's too much shit going on ..

( asked Jeff he SCREAMED that "he's not going to touch it" so it's all on me .. )
If added this to Moose Life delayed VRLM shipping by even half an hour later then please don’t do it :D
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