New Nvidia Cards

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Dio wrote:There's a lot of ways to run the numbers about what makes a profit and what doesn't. Hollywood accounting has been part of the gaming ecosystem for some years now (see also Apple and Google).
It's still to me a TOTAL MYSTERY about "how companies that it's YEARS they are NON profitable" they are still alive/in business.

To me I reason "if I spent X and I collected Y and Y-X < 0 then I am fucked".

Because unless I get "soon" some more Z from somewhere ( theorectically my own sales ) I am soon going bust ( going into ever increasing debts I won't be able to repay ).

The problem is it seems to exist "some Z" that "keeps coming" from whatever reasons even if the company itself does not really make any profits with its own sales of its own products ?

Ok theorectically is a bit like the story "don't sell them the razor, sell them the blades ?" .. the razor is the console, the blades are the games/services/subscription associated with that ?

Certainly .. "if there are so many people willing to spend $$$$$$ on cosmetic add-ons for the game C" then it could be all worth, as long as "from somewhere" you get those $$$$$ you need to keep going.
You look at someone like Blitz Games (perhaps a bad example as they are gone, but still) and they had years of working on contracts - shitty licensed titles - to let them develop more personal/indie projects. They get to the next landmark, payment comes in and covers the bills.

Even Remedy have changed from being focussed on one project at a time to multiple teams.

I really worry how smaller teams are going to cope under the subscription model. It will be like Spotify, trying to survive on crumbs while the big stars get all the money. That's partly why Xbox swallowed up so many studios in the last eighteen months, so they have teams that can work on content/updates.
I am not sure what you talking about but sounds almost like a Ponzi Scheme, we too ( LS ) try to be "constantly on some new project(s)" because basically "it's grabbing coins there and there" it's a race that never gives you any break it's like living on the edge of drowning all the time.

But at least we don't have debts/things to pay other than ourselves, which is still not easy at all.

I don't think it's just "Xbox" is "the whole games market" I should say "in general" because ultimately it's about what people buys, how people buys, how people spend AND especially how INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT is to find/reach your "best tartget market".

I don't know but more than once "in this so internet connected world" I feel "something is not working as you think it should" to reach certain "target audience" is very very very hard and extremely time/resources consuming !

The famous "word of mouth" seems NOT to exist at all, despite all the twitters, youtubes, things, whatever .. it just does not work "naturally".

You can already worry A LOT because it's SUPER DIFFICULT to stay alive "for a small team" and the scenario "surviving on crumbs" I am afraid to tell you that's in place since quite long so "you could stop worrying it could be going to be like that" because it's ALREADY like that !

Question is more along the lines of "how long smaller team can survive" .. hopefully "long enough" but it's super hard.
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The point about Hollywood accounting is a complex, multi-company structure. Then this directs losses into entities that can be dumped without damaging the business and / or used to claim large tax rebates. Meanwhile the core company is paid consistent profits.
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Dio wrote:The point about Hollywood accounting is a complex, multi-company structure. Then this directs losses into entities that can be dumped without damaging the business and / or used to claim large tax rebates. Meanwhile the core company is paid consistent profits.
You know that "you can't create energy from nothing ?" (*)


(*) ok some complex quantum stuff says "you can BUT that energy has to fully returned back".

In the human world it still means "you are consuming/wasting someoene's else resources".
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Someone else's, yes. The point is, not yours.
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Of course you can create something from nothing. If you can structure every entity such that they all roughly break even then nobody pays any tax on profits.
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And if one of those companies happens to be a finance company, it can literally make money out of nothing.
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Hmm, so Nvidia did buy arm after all.
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Whiteball wrote:Hmm, so Nvidia did buy arm after all.
Next thing, ARM banned in China ? ( according to the news )
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gilesgoat wrote:
Whiteball wrote:Hmm, so Nvidia did buy arm after all.
Next thing, ARM banned in China ? ( according to the news )
China can block the deal if they want to.
Sign-offs are needed from China, UK, EU and US according to Bloomberg.
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Well, what's going with ARM in China is a whole mad news story unto itself:

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So finally in a position to upgrade my PC a bit and have been looking the 3080 cards which would make an ideal upgrade and should last me around 5 years going by how long my GTX970 lasted me!!!!

I have tentatively got a pre-order in at Overclockers and notice they keep bumping the prices up... its supposed to be a first come - first served basis however I ordered at a lower price so wonder if they will sell out on this idea and sell to to the higher priced orders first... :)

A bit of a fiasco this. However to be expected I guess. Great card. Although £700 is big chunk of money TBH.

I was actually thinking of taking of advantage of the price drops on the older RTX cards (2070/2080) however not really done much of a comparison and looking at the prices they aren't that far off each other new. Might find a few people trying to offload their old cards though... is it worth going for a 2070 or 2080 and saving a bit of cash? Mainly just do a bit of VR gaming and other types of games. Have a 4K screen but I'm kind of happy with upscaled 1440p @ 60fps. Frame rate and the shines are more important to me over resolution.

I think the main deciding factor for me is can the older cards keep up with the new consoles on the horizon? Thoughts anyone?
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By all reports this launch isn't just a paper one, it's a tissue paper one. Rumours of 20k cancelled Amazon pre-orders and almost zero availability before 'at least October'.
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MattyP wrote:*SNIP* Have a 4K screen but I'm kind of happy with upscaled 1440p @ 60fps. Frame rate and the shines are more important to me over resolution.

I think the main deciding factor for me is can the older cards keep up with the new consoles on the horizon? Thoughts anyone?
4K *AND* 120 Fps please !

4K per eye .. 120 fps ... 1440ok .. but I need 43 * 60 Fps ( Looking Glass ) 8)
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Dio wrote:By all reports this launch isn't just a paper one, it's a tissue paper one. Rumours of 20k cancelled Amazon pre-orders and almost zero availability before 'at least October'.
So I had a look too, for curiosity ... so those "too cheap to be so good" Nvidia GPUs are nowhere to be found/possible to be bought now ?

[edit] .. I see ...
RTX 30 Series delivery schedule

We have put together a schedule of when we are expecting RTX 3080 deliveries from each of the brands over the coming weeks. Currently these deliveries are relatively small, so will not fulfill existing pre-orders, but they will be increasing in size as the weeks go on and production ramps up. Pre-orders will be fulfilled on a 'first come, first served' basis from the stock that arrives. We will update this table regularly as deliveries arrive.
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gilesgoat wrote:
Dio wrote:By all reports this launch isn't just a paper one, it's a tissue paper one. Rumours of 20k cancelled Amazon pre-orders and almost zero availability before 'at least October'.
So I had a look too, for curiosity ... so those "too cheap to be so good" Nvidia GPUs are nowhere to be found/possible to be bought now ?

[edit] .. I see ...
RTX 30 Series delivery schedule

We have put together a schedule of when we are expecting RTX 3080 deliveries from each of the brands over the coming weeks. Currently these deliveries are relatively small, so will not fulfill existing pre-orders, but they will be increasing in size as the weeks go on and production ramps up. Pre-orders will be fulfilled on a 'first come, first served' basis from the stock that arrives. We will update this table regularly as deliveries arrive.
Hopefully I'll get one for Xmas time! :) Be a nice little techie Santa gift... :D
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