Xbox Series X/S & Playstation 5 (PS5) Thread. Next-Gen 2020

[Misfit]

Game has some at the moment...

https://www.game.co.uk/en/xbox-series-x ... 6#preorder

[merman]

Was always more likely to go Xbox than PlayStation, and nothing announced by Sony this last week has helped. Limited PS4 backward compatibility, muddled messages over exclusivity and the lack of a Game Pass competitor makes it harder for me to back Sony.

[Misfit]

Was always more likely to go Xbox than PlayStation, and nothing announced by Sony this last week has helped. Limited PS4 backward compatibility, muddled messages over exclusivity and the lack of a Game Pass competitor makes it harder for me to back Sony.

Agreed, and they've openly said PS Now won't have big releases on it, will always be for older titles.

You can add to that you'll almost certainly need an extra controller as your old ones won't work with new games. Maybe once I've used the new controller I'll understand, but right now it just seems annoying. I don't recall the added features of motion and touch pad were used very much on the PS4, so is it all just another gimmick?

[WiteWulf]

Meh, it's always part of the revenue stream for a new gen of consoles: you need to buy most of the peripherals again.

I'm actually reasonably impressed that the Gold headphones, Move controllers, Aim, camera and PSVR will all be supported, albeit with an adapter for the camera and there'll be no "companion app" for the headphones, which I guess means they won't support the 3D audio on the PS5.

[Rhythm]

Sony have traditionally been the best for cross-gen compatibility of accessories. The haptic controller is why they're blocking DS4s from being used in PS5 games. For example, a cited use case was that if you're playing a shooter where your gun can jam, the controller actually locks off the triggers. Now if that game's competitive the people using the non-haptic controller would have an advantage over people who are using the "proper" one.

Of course that doesn't excuse Sony blocking using DS4s on any game that doesn't have "haptic" features, but then that introduces a compatibility matrix that people would get equally miffed at. Far easier for them to say "PS5 games need a PS5 controller".

[Misfit]

OK, so Spider-Man is the one thing I want on the PS5 but in looking it up it's thrown up a few 'interesting' things...

There is a remastered version of the PS4 version, nice. But this isn't a free upgrade to owners of the original (it looks like the original will work on the PS5) like many X box games seems to be, but it's also only available if you buy the Ultimate edition of the new game, which comes in at £70!

The PS5 game will use 105GB of your disk space (remember the PS5's drive is 825GB) and 171GB with the PS4 game!

Looks pretty good, I'd like some swinging through the city footage though as that was about all I managed to do in the PS4 game (my son completed it and all the DLC, so I ended up watching bits more than playing)

As the PS5 is getting hidden away until Xmas I guess I can at least defer the cost of the game until that cheap month of December.

[fog]

I'm actually reasonably impressed that the Gold headphones, Move controllers, Aim, camera and PSVR will all be supported, albeit with an adapter for the camera and there'll be no "companion app" for the headphones, which I guess means they won't support the 3D audio on the PS5.

You wont be able to choose custom sound settings for your Gold headset as there is no app, but you should still get the benefits of 3D audio as it works with any stereo headset.

The PS5 game will use 105GB of your disk space (remember the PS5's drive is 825GB) and 171GB with the PS4 game!

The 105GB figure is for both games. The PS5 game, Miles Morales, is 'just' 50GB


Even with higher quality assets, file sizes probably womt be much bigger than last-gen if at all. The SSD means data doesn't have to be duplicated like it had to be using an HDD. I watched a dev talk on the original PS4 Spiderman and, IIRC, some bits of data were duplicated 30x on the HDD

[Misfit]

The 105GB figure is for both games. The PS5 game, Miles Morales, is 'just' 50GB

Thanks for clarifying, turns out I just can't read very well!

Time to withdraw the £750 quid I have sitting in Quidco as an Amazon voucher to cover my PS5 purchases and part of the Xmas shopping.

[WiteWulf]

Of course that doesn't excuse Sony blocking using DS4s on any game that doesn't have "haptic" features, but then that introduces a compatibility matrix that people would get equally miffed at. Far easier for them to say "PS5 games need a PS5 controller".

It's a circular marketting thing, too. Features of new controller are a selling point for the hardware, if you allow devs to use the old hardware without the new features it encourages them to not bother with the new features, so there's no point buying the new hardware ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's similar to Apple's habit of reserving stuff that's easily implementable in software on existing hardware for new hardware, particularly with respect to the Apple Watch. It's acknowledged that the device is as much a fashion accessory and badge of wealth as it is a functional item, so they only make certain watch faces available on new hardware.

[Misfit]

So do you think some less switched on parents bought the Xbox One X yesterday when trying to pre-order?

As naming goes I really don't have a clue what MS were thinking, it's just plain confusing.

[fog]

So do you think some less switched on parents bought the Xbox One X yesterday when trying to pre-order?

As naming goes I really don't have a clue what MS were thinking, it's just plain confusing.

Yes, it's no doubt confused many if this is anything to go by...

I might not be the only one who gets them confused, though. (Microsoft itself has, but I digress.) Despite today being pre-order day for the Series X (reminder: the new one), the One X (the old one) had a banner day on Amazon as well, at one point up 747 percent on Amazon’s “Movers & Shakers” sales charts.

There are going to be a lot of disappointed kids on Christmas day.


Chatting with a mate the other day, everytime I dropped a One, One X, Series X etc into the conversation I had to double check myself and you could see him doing mental gymnastics working out which one I meant.

Still, Nintendo got away with DS, 3DS, New 3DS, 2DS etc. I still remember when Nintendo first unveiled the Wii U and loads of people, many journalists included, thought it was an add-on for the original Wii

[Rhythm]

The naming stuff on the new Xbox is even leading to shit like this on Game's own website. It's mental.



I'm still not in the market for a console but GF has suggested her lad might want one, especially at the £21 per month deal. So I went online to do just that and Smyths can't won't process All Access orders at all at the moment and Game are telling people to go to the shop and do it in person. Forgive me for not wanting to wander round a plague-ridden shopping mall and touch shit others have run their fingers over when this could in fact all be done online

[Deckard]

And people moan about the "Apple" tax

The UK pricing for the 1TB expansion card for Xbox Series X|S has now been confirmed at £220, per the Microsoft Store where it’s also now available for pre-order. That’s a chunk higher than we were expecting, considering the $220 US pricing.

[Rhythm]

Can't see why people are surprised about that bit from Microsoft. They've always charged over the odds for storage on their consoles. To the point where it felt like an anomaly that they permitted USB drives last time round.

Adding storage to an SSD-only system where the SSDs in question have to be of a particular spec to even allow the games to work was never going to be cheap. At least they're letting people use USB for storage of "legacy" games

Am I right in thinking Sony have the same issue but that they've released a compatibility matrix to allow customers to shop around a bit?

[fog]

And people moan about the "Apple" tax

The UK pricing for the 1TB expansion card for Xbox Series X|S has now been confirmed at £220, per the Microsoft Store where it’s also now available for pre-order. That’s a chunk higher than we were expecting, considering the $220 US pricing.

For another £30 you can buy a Series S. To put into context how silly that is, Series S users are the ones most likely to want that additional storage (S is digital only and with a smaller SSD than the Series X).

Or for the same price, buy a Series X which has double the memory of the Series S and a far superior GPU.

Can't see why people are surprised about that bit from Microsoft. They've always charged over the odds for storage on their consoles. To the point where it felt like an anomaly that they permitted USB drives last time round.

Adding storage to an SSD-only system where the SSDs in question have to be of a particular spec to even allow the games to work was never going to be cheap. At least they're letting people use USB for storage of "legacy" games

Am I right in thinking Sony have the same issue but that they've released a compatibility matrix to allow customers to shop around a bit?

Yes. Thankfully it seems Sony learned from the awful propriety Vita memory cards and, providing they meet certain performance requireements, you can use any manufacturers SSD in the PS5.

Samsung have just released one that seems suitable, is about the same price as the Xbox one and is 3x faster. Prices are expected to drop fairly quickly as other manufacturers release their SSDs, whether the propriety Xbox ones do though is anyone's guess.