Fool me, this is real good shit ! [the VR thread]

[LancashireArrow]

Stripping this out of the Moose Life thread-

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/08/ ... book-ties/

All Oculus hardware will need a Facebook account going forward. New users in January, existing ones in 2023. So it looks like whatever is that replaces my trusty CV1, it won't be made by Oculus.

I mean, I've got a Facebook profile but only because my family is on there. I'd be more than happy to log off the site and never look at it again. Even so, while I won't be inconvenienced by this new requirement there's no reason for it to exist and I resent Facebook trying to tie me tighter to its platform. Good hardware, sure, but they're by no means the only game in town.

I was thinking of getting a Rift, but now there’s absolutely no chance.

I do not want or need a Facebook account, and making it obligatory to use hardware is mental. Deleting my Facebook account was one of he best decisions I ever made.

Just read the thread on Slashdot about this and it looks like a huge number of potential users have also decided to drop plans to purchase one too because of this.

I can understand if FB wants to make "their own apps" or "their own store" or such ..

But get the point that "the HW is UNUSEABLE without a FB account" is crap.

Ok we could argue "the same is with PSVR" but PSVR is not "a generic VR thing for PC" is "bound to a console system" even that is debeateable but is never been sold as a "generic VR visor for PC".

There should still be an option to get drivers/updates without necessarly have an FB account also because the way FB works that "does not allow you to put bogus data" and/or share things you may not want to be shared.

Anyway .. "pity" .. it means we'll have to start supporting other devices then ..

Your releases were the reason I was so tempted. Thanks for considering other platforms.

[WiteWulf]

Minecraft getting PSVR support later this month:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020 ... this-month

I imagine that'll keep my lad occupied for a while

[gilesgoat]

Fool me, this is real BAD shit !

.. here "the beginning of the end" begins ...

( received this morning )

Hi Giles,

We're reaching out to let you know about upcoming changes to the Oculus platform. On October 11, 2020, we are updating the Oculus Terms of Service and Privacy Policy to reflect that Facebook Ireland Limited will become responsible for the Oculus platform and your Oculus information, and to provide more detail about how your information is collected, used, and shared. On that date, you will have the choice to continue using your existing Oculus account and remain under the updated Oculus Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, or to use a Facebook account on the platform and agree to new terms. Learn more.

I will remain on Oculus of course ( I mean NOT going into the FB shit ) .. and that's the end of it .. I guess I'll have to start looking into "alternative VR platforms" ..

[Jamesac]

Yep. I'm out of Rift too for whatever my next headset will be. Valve Index looks nice, albeit crazy-expensive. On the plus side, my CV1 is good for a while longer yet.

By the way, mind if I ask what this means for Quest development?

[gilesgoat]

Yep. I'm out of Rift too for whatever my next headset will be. Valve Index looks nice, albeit crazy-expensive. On the plus side, my CV1 is good for a while longer yet.

By the way, mind if I ask what this means for Quest development?

I don't know .. hopefully "not much" and "probably" Side Quest.

I can see one point of things, I mean "if you want all that FB integration" it does makes "no sense" ( from an FB point of view ) to have a system "totally separated" that has nothing to do with FB AND FB.

But the other point is "I want a VR system , I DO NOT WANT a VR system AND FB" and the problem seems you can't exactly have the choice of "without FB".

Or I think you should be able to but - of course - "you won't have FB integration".

We'll see how it goes, as A PIECE OF HW, I like Quest quite a bit, as "a piece with FB" NO, I DON'T LIKE THAT, I did not by "a thing for FB", I did buy "a thing for VR".

[Cloudane]

Using the phrase "We're reaching out" is bad enough.

To be honest I'll probably buy my dad's Rift S as he's moving onto a HP one I believe and that'll make my VR sessions easier without those janky sensors that send your arm flying off into space if they lose the line of sight, but in the long term an alternative will probably be on the cards. I do have Facebook, but use it minimally, and it's the principle of the thing.

[gilesgoat]

*SNIP*I do have Facebook, but use it minimally, and it's the principle of the thing.

No that's NOT "the principle" of "the other thing" .. if you are on FB you are on FB .. THAT is the problem !

[Jamesac]

https://uploadvr.com/oculus-quest-2-leaked-by-facebook

Seems nice. Too bad I don't want Facebook more than I want a Quest.

[Whiteball]

Yeah, shame really. I think they will loose a lot more people than they will gain.

[Misfit]

https://uploadvr.com/oculus-quest-2-leaked-by-facebook

Seems nice. Too bad I don't want Facebook more than I want a Quest.

Missed this post. Looks impressive and £100 less!

To be honest, whilst I understand others, I don't care about FB. I have an account, it has no info. And Amazon, Google and Apple already probably know me better than I know myself.

Plus there will be sidequest to avoid a lot fo that crap if you desire and to make it a wireless PC headset.

Quest 2 packs a suite of innovations to power the next generation of VR games and experiences. With the first Quest headset, we debuted a revolutionary all-in-one form factor powered by innovations like the Oculus Insight tracking system. With Quest 2, we’re taking things even further, starting with a multi-generational leap in processing power with the state-of-the-art Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ XR2 Platform offering higher AI capability, and 6GB of RAM. The new display features 1832 x 1920 pixels per eye—our highest resolution display yet. With 50% more pixels than the original Quest, everything from multiplayer games and productivity apps to 360° videos look better than ever.

We didn’t stop there. With Quest 2’s increased graphics processing power, this new display is capable of supporting 90 Hz.

[Misfit]

Anyone want a good condition Quest 1 (128GB)? Seems I have one for sale.

[THEDARKPRIESTCYRIC]

I'm considering picking up an Oculus Quest 2 even with the terrible FB integration Was gonna ask if there is any plans to support the Quest since it seems like their marketplace is doing good but looks like your not so hot on it Giles

[gilesgoat]

Anyone want a good condition Quest 1 (128GB)? Seems I have one for sale.

Just to know let me know how much you are asking, would be not for me but for someone else.

[gilesgoat]

I'm considering picking up an Oculus Quest 2 even with the terrible FB integration Was gonna ask if there is any plans to support the Quest since it seems like their marketplace is doing good but looks like your not so hot on it Giles

Well .. "we invested too much into Oculus to drop it" .. luckily Jeff has an FB account "for debug/testing" I can use that.

Don't get me wrong AS A PIECE OF HW/PRICING, I think Oculus is wonderful.

As for FB I think "they could rot in hell".

That's the thing, but we'll keep working on it .. until something better comes out

[THEDARKPRIESTCYRIC]

I'm considering picking up an Oculus Quest 2 even with the terrible FB integration Was gonna ask if there is any plans to support the Quest since it seems like their marketplace is doing good but looks like your not so hot on it Giles

Well .. "we invested too much into Oculus to drop it" .. luckily Jeff has an FB account "for debug/testing" I can use that.

Don't get me wrong AS A PIECE OF HW/PRICING, I think Oculus is wonderful.

As for FB I think "they could rot in hell".

That's the thing, but we'll keep working on it .. until something better comes out

Well I will be buying anything you put on Oculus of course. As for something better maybe the rumored Apple VR? I am excited for PSVR 2 and Quest 2 is just a stop gap for me until it releases.