Xbox Series X/S & Playstation 5 (PS5) Thread. Next-Gen 2020

[MattyP]

Consoles though. Have to make their money back somehow. That £250 console doesn't suddenly seem that cheap. Although depends how disciplined you are at keeping your storage tidy. That 512 will fill up quick though. Downloaded Forza Horizon 4 kn GamePass the other day on the PC. 96GB with all the Ultimate pack bits and pieces. And games aren't going to get smaller.

In other news just ordered another 1TB SSD drive for the PC for £80 to replace my failing old HDD. My PC will be completely free if old school hard drives come Monday night. My PC is built to be quiet as it is going to be bliss. The only thing that makes noise now and again from it is the graphics card when it's under load playing a game or something.

[MattyP]

Consoles though. Have to make their money back somehow. That £250 console doesn't suddenly seem that cheap. Although depends how disciplined you are at keeping your storage tidy. That 512 will fill up quick though. Downloaded Forza Horizon 4 kn GamePass the other day on the PC. 96GB with all the Ultimate pack bits and pieces. And games aren't going to get smaller.

In other news just ordered another 1TB SSD drive for the PC for £80 to replace my failing old HDD. My PC will be completely free if old school hard drives come Monday night. It's built to be quiet as it is going to be bliss. The only thing that makes noise now and again from it is the graphics card when it's under load playing a game or something.

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Limited PS4 backward compatibility..

I thought 99% of all PS4 games were to be supported in time?

With better framerates and perhaps resolution?

[Misfit]

From Eurogamer...

during the PS5 system specs deep dive in March 2020, Mike Cerny revealed that nearly all of the top 100 PS4 games (ranked by playtime) would be playable on the PS5 at launch.

This was later elaborated on in a post by Hideaki Nishino on the official PlayStation blog about the PS5 specs. There it was explained that Sony hopes that the majority of games released for the PS4 will be playable on the PS5.

It's important to note that only games from the top 100 games played by PS4 users will be backwards compatible by launch and, even then, the whole list might not be available. The list of backwards compatible games for the PS5 will steadily grow after the console's release, similar to, we imagine, how the list of 360 games playable on the Xbox One has grown since it's debut.

[Cloudane]

Just got a bigger telly (because everything under 43" was shit) with 4K and now.. surprise! I want 4K things. They know what they're doing in this industry

Lot of money though to be an early adopter. I think by my own tradition I'll hold off until the slim version in a year or two, or whenever the next Final Fantasy comes out (if it's any good)

[fog]

From Eurogamer...

during the PS5 system specs deep dive in March 2020, Mike Cerny revealed that nearly all of the top 100 PS4 games (ranked by playtime) would be playable on the PS5 at launch.

This was later elaborated on in a post by Hideaki Nishino on the official PlayStation blog about the PS5 specs. There it was explained that Sony hopes that the majority of games released for the PS4 will be playable on the PS5.

It's important to note that only games from the top 100 games played by PS4 users will be backwards compatible by launch and, even then, the whole list might not be available. The list of backwards compatible games for the PS5 will steadily grow after the console's release, similar to, we imagine, how the list of 360 games playable on the Xbox One has grown since it's debut.

Yeah, it's not like Eurogamer to get things wrong.

It has been clarified by Sony several times.... The PS5 has 3 BC modes and the overwhelming majority of all PS4 games will work at launch in Boost mode ("99%" I believe was the quote) with improved frame rate and, where possible, improved resolution. Those that wont work in Boost mode will fall back to work in standard PS4 mode.

I think by my own tradition I'll hold off until the slim version in a year or two, or whenever the next Final Fantasy comes out (if it's any good)

The usually reliable Jason Schreier on Final Fantasy: "...it’s actually been in development for at least four years in some capacity. So it’s coming sooner than people think.”

[MattyP]

Lot of money though to be an early adopter. I think by my own tradition I'll hold off until the slim version in a year or two, or whenever the next Final Fantasy comes out (if it's any good)

Relatively speaking they aren't too badly priced to he honest. I mean the original Playstation was £300 at launch 25 YEARS AGO wow feeling old here. Factor in inflation and you are getting something of a bargain these days.

Still it's a chunk of money that is just for entrainment and let's face it it's not like the current gen machines don't have enough content to go through. And if you are in MSs ecosystem you can just keep playing until you want more shinies.

[Cloudane]

I'm not criticising the price or saying it's bad value. Just "a lot of money". That's what £450 is to us poor folk . (Can't see myself touching a "digital version" - benefit of consoles is owning a game and being able to sell it on)

But they do usually come down a little for the slim version, and by then there's a good bunch of games out etc. Of course, they may decide to make the slim version digital only at which point we'll probably have to stop kicking and screaming and accept the Steam-style future.

Both Sony and MS playing a blinder though on getting everyone onto the digital download system after the outcry and subsequent u-turn last time (which Sony managed to duck after MS went first and took all the flak). Introduce both models side by side but charge a very high premium for the disc version then say "look, no one is buying it, everyone wants digital after all"

[MattyP]

I'm not criticising the price or saying it's bad value. Just "a lot of money". That's what £450 is to us poor folk . (Can't see myself touching a "digital version" - benefit of consoles is owning a game and being able to sell it on)
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Agree... Not rich by any means but gaming is just another thing I tinker with. In terms of consoles I've had more entertainment out of my 14 year old Wii recently than any of the new consoles After modding it got even better.

Personally I think consoles have lost their way a bit from the simple fun devices they once were. This is why I love the Wii it's just simple fun console gaming. Now I have my games on it in digital format it's just fantastic. Kids love it too when they are over for the weekend. Still think Wii Sports and in particular Wii bowling is the best multiplayer game ever. Personally think Wii is one of the best consoles ever made. A console for everyone. Very inclusive.

[Misfit]

Personally, I think consoles have lost their way a bit from the simple fun devices they once were.

You're right. A new console is now just like upgrading your PC, nice to do but just makes things shinier. Not having one instantly no longer mean you're missing out as I don't think there is any game you can't play on day one on your old Xbox/PS4 just in slightly lower detail/longer loading times?

Just redeemed my Quidco cashback on Amazon and set that as the payment method for my PS5 preorder. Very satisfying, as it will feel 'free' when it turns up

[fog]

I see a few media outlets have XSX for testing. While they aren't allowed to do reviews yet, we have found out is the amount of usable SSD storage space once the OS is installed etc.

On the XSX the 1TB advertised becomes 802GB. That would mean the XSS has about 340GB usable for game installs which is even smaller than I expected.

[merman]

Limited PS4 backward compatibility..

I thought 99% of all PS4 games were to be supported in time?

With better framerates and perhaps resolution?

Not at launch. Xbox launches with four generations of games and over a thousand titles from the back catalogue playable. And the messaging from Sony has been awful on this and other issues.

[Rhythm]

Limited PS4 backward compatibility..

I thought 99% of all PS4 games were to be supported in time?

With better framerates and perhaps resolution?

Not at launch. Xbox launches with four generations of games and over a thousand titles from the back catalogue playable. And the messaging from Sony has been awful on this and other issues.

There are some big omissions from the XB BC list at the moment (Gears 5, Halo 5, all Forzas and a fair few more) but yeah, they're committed to getting everything working.

As compared to Sony who've said they're focussing mainly on getting "top 100 by hours played/popularity" going. Sony are basically tackling BC in the same way that Microsoft were last gen. By looking at getting the top 100 working, they'll automatically get certain other games working in there.

[fog]

Their messaging is definately a mess.

As compared to Sony who've said they're focussing mainly on getting "top 100 by hours played/popularity" going. Sony are basically tackling BC in the same way that Microsoft were last gen. By looking at getting the top 100 working, they'll automatically get certain other games working in there.

That's not strictly true The "top-100" quote was from Mark Cerny way back in March when he was talking about the 100 games they had used to initially test the BC system. The figure is now in the thousands from the PS4's catalog of around 4000.

Sony Interactive Entertainment CEO and President Jim Ryan also said that of the thousands of games tested for PS4 backwards compatibility, “99 percent” can be played on the next console.

The games that will not work might be for a number of reasons including de-listing, licensing, reliance on no longer supported peripherals etc.


PSNow already lets you play some PS1, PS2 and hundreds of PS3 games (via streaming) on the PS4, but we have no idea what plans are for PSNow on the PS5.

[Rhythm]

Fair enough, didn't realise they'd made so much progress on it.

I'm a bit miffed about this new focus on emulation-based BC from the major players. I know stuff gets fully recompiled on the Xbox side to be able to be closer to the target hardware but you're still using overpowered hardware pulling immensely greater amounts of power to run games that didn't need so much power when first released. It runs completely in contrast to the manner in which every other industry is trying to decrease power consumed. It does beg the question as to whether they're opening themselves up for being pulled for going against energy targets.