Trump

[Ollie]

I was already suspicious of the timing. Like, by the official narrative, he got tested, showed mild symptoms and then ended up in hospital within 24 hours. That's too damned fast and better not be true, for his own sake, as that's going downhill extremely fast.

Then one of his medical doctors, talking about his condition, mentioned 72 hours. The White House has strenuously denied this, and claims his doctors "misspoke" on the timing. But I'm thinking that, actually, they know exactly what he's talking about, but the White House is trying to keep quiet the fact that the President was already on dexamethasone for his Covid, during the Presidential debate.

Dexamethasone is not supposed to be given during the first 7 days after the onset of symptoms, as it is an immunosuppressant and early usage is likely to make things worse rather than better. It also isn't given to patients who don't have hypoxaemia, i.e., have not received oxygen or mechanical ventilation. So it's unlikely he was already on it during the debate. But also, the timing of it suggests that his symptoms began at least a couple of days before the debate. I've seen conflicting reports of whether he was tested before the debate, and the White House is refusing to say when his last negative test was - so I suspect he already knew he had it at the debate.

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<//> But also, the timing of it suggests that his symptoms began at least a couple of days before the debate. I've seen conflicting reports of whether he was tested before the debate, and the White House is refusing to say when his last negative test was - so I suspect he already knew he had it at the debate.

How far was Trump from Biden he could have infected him... perhaps from projectile spitting during those interruptions..

[KlaxonCow]

So it's unlikely he was already on it during the debate.

Fair enough.

But also, the timing of it suggests that his symptoms began at least a couple of days before the debate. I've seen conflicting reports of whether he was tested before the debate, and the White House is refusing to say when his last negative test was - so I suspect he already knew he had it at the debate.

The timing of the official narrative is definitely off.

I mean, it seems medically impossible that, on Friday, he gets tested in the morning, develops mild symptoms, goes to hospital - within 24 hours - then spends the weekend in hospital to be released on the Monday, claiming to have "beaten it" and been totally cured.

And, despite such a mild and infeasibly rapid "cure", his blood oxygen dipped twice, they've said, which isn't that "mild" of a symptom at all - that's the sign that you need to go to hospital immediately (and I've got a pulse oxymeter that I test myself with to keep an eye on that blood oxygen level to know if / when I should call emergency assistance, as blood oxygen dips mean that your lungs aren't coping - they can't draw in enough oxygen to keep you going - and that's the beginning of the downward spiral towards pneumonia and such, which is what makes this virus potentially fatal). I mean, his blood oxygen dipping on the Friday would entirely explain why they got him on a helicopter to the hospital, pronto, to get him near oxygen (and, if it doesn't improve, near a ventilator for more drastic intervention).

None of the official timings add up. But they do begin to make sense if, indeed, you assume that he had his test - and knew he had Covid - earlier than they say. That he was tested and knew days earlier and Monday was the end of a period of 7 to 10 days of "self-isolation" (though, yeah, the whole point here is that he didn't actually self-isolate during that period at all). Then the timing begins to add up - but, of course, that requires admitting that he recklessly did not self-isolate at all, but went to the Presidential debate anyway.

Certainly, the story that the White House is telling ain't true. You can't fall ill and then completely recover within 2 to 3 days. Make it a week to 10 days and then it starts to ring true - I mean, that's why we're all told to self-isolate for at least that long.

[Harlequin]

I have learned over time, that it is better for my health if I open my shutters in the daytime (I have wooden shutters not curtains).

I do have curtains, though, and its a major trek around past piles of stuff to get to them.

I've seen conflicting reports of whether he was tested before the debate, and the White House is refusing to say when his last negative test was - so I suspect he already knew he had it at the debate.

It appears that he turned up to the debate too late to take agreed to test but said he had been tested shortly before. That his family and other people he brought along also broke the agreed rules by removing their masks once seated suggests to me that they did not think he was infected. If he knew himself it is, of course, entirely possible that he did not overly care about infecting them but would he not have taken more opportunities to get closer to Biden to shout in his face?

Certainly, the story that the White House is telling ain't true. You can't fall ill and then completely recover within 2 to 3 days. Make it a week to 10 days and then it starts to ring true - I mean, that's why we're all told to self-isolate for at least that long.

From his balcony performance, it seemed to me that he is very far from recovered.

[KlaxonCow]

[KlaxonCow]

So, Trump reckons he's been "blessed by God" to suffer Covid, so that others may live.

Yeah, that dexamethasone is really kicking in now. He thinks he's the Covid Messiah.

This was always going to be good, when you have someone who's already such a "class A" narcissist - but then you stick him on drugs that increases his sense of grandiosity and mania too.

He's the Messiah. No, no, he's bigger than Jesus. He's the biggest. Huge. No-one's ever been as big a Messiah as Trump.

[Foozwah]

Also the sheer multi-level hypocrisy of him saying that his alleged cure is "a miracle from heaven", despite this heavenly miracle actually being experimental drugs not available to 99.9% of people, and also that some of said drugs have been developed using cells derived from aborted foetuses, a practice which his administration pointedly opposes, and for which he gains much political mileage with the loony Xtian fundamentalists...

It's head-spinning enough to give a fucking owl whiplash.

[tufty]

Meanwhile, Trump tries the "her emails" gambit on Biden

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/08/us/p ... ivals.html

[Misfit]

Meanwhile, Trump tries the "her emails" gambit on Biden

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/08/us/p ... ivals.html

But don't worry as he also tells us in the article:

“I felt pretty lousy,” Mr. Trump said. But, he added, “I’m back because I’m a perfect physical specimen and I’m extremely young.” He once again played down the severity of the disease. “Now what happens is you get better,” he said. “That’s what happens, you get better.”

You get better? I can think of 210k US-based arguments against that.

[Cloudane]

https://twitter.com/mysterysolvent/stat ... 45728?s=21

Mad as a box of... tiny little fish

[F-ZeroOne]

According to ABC News, at least some of the attendees at Trumps White House - rally? Event? Next super-spreader nexus? - were paid travel and accommodation costs by the BLEXIT organisation, which apparently is a group urging black and other ethnic groups to leave the Democrats on the grounds they’ve been taking their vote for granted for decades. Now, in principle, they may have a point but one - modelling your name after quite possibly the worst decision the British public have made in modern history possibly isn’t the brainwave they think it is and two, it does feel (speaking, admittedly, as a white person) like the chickens voting for the fox to guard the henhouse.

Also... people are now being paid to attend the possibility of catching COVID-19.

[Harlequin]

I recently encountered a comment that the Tramp's posture is akin to the front part of a centaur. I do indeed find the comparison difficult to unsee now. Has anyone got an image of him walking in front of a short horse?

[Mat]

Has anyone got an image of him walking in front of a short horse?

Not exactly what you requested, but I did see this in a comments thread over at Boing Boing yesterday:

[tufty]

Eeeagh! My eyes!

[Harlequin]

Just...

... the six seconds from 1:12:55:

(Direct jump here).