Trump

[phattslagg]

What the Democrats really need to do is find a way to sort out the blatant gerrymandering that's been going on in republican states to make it as difficult as possible for certain demographics to vote.

[KlaxonCow]

Also no, as we seen the angles from Africa did not come

Well, of course, as the Angles - and the Jutes - came roughly from where Denmark is today, with the Saxons coming from a little further South. Not from Africa.


Although, I would love to see the faces of these Trump supporters when "the Angels from Africa" show up and they're black.

I imagine it would go something like this:



And then they'd appeal to Jesus: "Jesus, Jesus, oh why have you sent these dark-skinned angels to us?".

And Jesus would respond: "Yeah... you do know I was born in the Middle East, right? Like, my mother's lineage is excruciatingly and tediously detailed in the Bible, and it doesn't move an inch from the Holy Lands for generations upon generations (and what with this being a virgin birth, she is the only human genetic contributor here). Didn't you work this one out already?"

[gilesgoat]

*SNIP*

And Jesus would respond: "Yeah... you do know I was born in the Middle East, right? Like, my mother's lineage is excruciatingly and tediously detailed in the Bible, and it doesn't move an inch from the Holy Lands for generations upon generations. Didn't you work this one out already?"

There's the fact that many historians said that "given precisely the times and the origins" Jesus quite probably did not look at all like in the "classic Christian iconography" but quite possibly also was of a much darker skin, there seems to be various writings saying that Jesus was like "a man like the other men".

Said that it's still huge amount of dispute that will probably never be solved if Jesus actually did exist or not.

[F-ZeroOne]

If realistic angels freak them out, just wait until they see a cherub...

[KlaxonCow]

Said that it's still huge amount of dispute that will probably never be solved if Jesus actually did exist or not.

If by "dispute" you mean that all the logic, history, genetics, scripture, archaeology and everything else says that, yes, of course Jesus was not Caucasian...

...and then the other side is just in outright denial, as they're a bit racist and are used to the "Aryan" Jesus from all the church pictures.

But - just ask them - can they give us any counter evidence of any kind whatsoever, that even hints at the fact that Jesus was Caucasian?

It definitely doesn't say that in the Bible. Tacitus, the Roman historian, makes no mention that "Christus" looked like a Roman. Absolutely nothing even mildly suggests this anywhere.

So, in one corner, all the facts. And, in the other corner, shout-y denial from slightly racist people.

I mean, there were white folks in the area at the time - the Romans - so if Jesus looked like a Roman, not like his generations-upon-generations Jewish mother, then someone's definitely going to mention that at some point, right? Even if it's only in the context: "Look, see, he truly is a magical baby - as he looks white, like a Roman, even though this should be totally impossible when his mother's definitely not Caucasian, as we have her bloody lineage detailed all the way back to David and Abraham, for fuck's sake".

If that's what we're calling "a dispute" these days then, okay, it's "a dispute".

[KlaxonCow]

If realistic angels freak them out, just wait until they see a cherub...

Indeed.

[tufty]

It's splitting hairs and all, amd has nothing to do with the Donald, but it's quite feasible that Jesus, if he existed, looked Roman. Once you've discounted the impossible virgin birth thing, and Joseph apparently wasn't involved, a tryst with a Roman might not be entirely out of the question.

The bump? Where did it come from? Erm - er - erm - oh, yes, it was God. That's it. God.

[Ollie]

If realistic angels freak them out, just wait until they see a cherub...

Indeed.

Ezekiel clearly ripped to the tits there.

[KlaxonCow]

Once you've discounted the impossible virgin birth thing, and Joseph apparently wasn't involved, a tryst with a Roman might not be entirely out of the question.

Well, yes. And that thought could have hardly escaped anyone back in Biblical times either.

So the lack of any such mention, or feeling the need to explain it away, or even an attempt to use it as "proof" of Jesus's "divinity" (because, look, the baby is clearly magical, as he looks different to his mother, who just gave birth to him) - nope, none of that is anywhere in there - strongly suggests that there was nothing odd about Jesus's appearance, compared to everyone else and Mary's family history.

Anyway, even if there were a tryst between Mary and a Roman solider, then Jesus would still come out only half-Roman. His mother's side of the genetic equation is definitely - as it's explicitly detailed in very tedious detail - traced back to David (and from David, back to Abraham).

(Melanin expression is, after all, a dominant gene, right? He'd be half-Roman and mixed race. He might have a Roman nose or something, sure, but white-as-the-driven-snow Caucasian? That's not how the genetics would work.)

As this is given by the Bible as evidence of Jesus having a kind of "royal blood line". Which is, itself, an odd one. His daddy is God. What the fuck does it matter to prove his credentials on his mother's side in light of that fact? Ah, I guess it's all that "fulfilling prophecy" nonsense.


Which Jesus absolutely didn't, by the way.

We all know the nativity story. Mary is cosmically raped by God* and then travels to Bethlehem to complete a Roman census, so Jesus is born in the correct city for prophecy to be fulfilled.

Slight problem. From the Roman side of things, there is no evidence of any such census. And, you know, the whole point of a census is to take records, so why no records on the Roman side? Also, the Romans are ordering a whole nation to get up and travel to the city of their birth simultaneously - a massive logistical event - and there's no other contemporary account nor record of this perfectly insane Roman diktat?

Furthermore, what sort of a bizarre census has folks travelling back to the cities of their birth, instead of just asking "where were you born?" and writing that down. Like, no Roman census before or since ever had this insane logistical requirement to have the entire nation all travel home like this. Because it's very silly.

It's also confusing. Why would Joseph also be going to his wife's city of birth? Wouldn't he be obliged to go back to his own city of birth? Shouldn't they have split up? Okay, his wife's pregnant, so they're allowing him to go with her. But then how, for their records, do they record this? Well, probably by asking Joseph "where were you born?" and then writing it down. In which case, why are we sending people all over the place again?

Nah, the simpler explanation is that Jewish prophecy requires the Messiah to be born in Bethlehem, not Nazareth, but "Jesus of Nazareth" popped out in the wrong place to actually be the Messiah of prophecy, so they invented this silly tale of "Roman census" to temporarily locate Mary and Joseph from Nazareth, to Bethlehem, for the birth and then have them go back to the sticks again shortly afterwards.

Mind you, this does suggest that there really was a historical Jesus. Because if you're just making this shit up, then you'd just invent that he was born in the right place in the first place. You only create the bullshit story of "a census" to temporarily re-locate your characters to the needed location because you're trying to hide the fact that the real facts are all wrong, and demonstrate your chosen guy really isn't the Messiah of Jewish prophecy.

So there is the irony there that a Christian might not like where I'm going with this, but it is actually one of the strongest bits of evidence that there probably was a historical person called Jesus. Otherwise, why lie about it?


* He sends angels to tell Mary that she's pregnant with his child. Ergo, if she didn't already know, then God did not gain prior consent to impregnate her. That's, like, some kind of magical rape going on there, right? Sure, Mary seems happy enough with the arrangement afterwards - once the scary creatures with eyes and wings and shit tell her about it. But that still doesn't excuse God for, like, not bothering to seek consent before the fact. Or, frankly, how stone cold he is in sending one of his minions to let her know, rather than actually talk to his own mother directly.

[F-ZeroOne]

But Trumps legal team say they has evidence of a census!

[merman]

Trump supporters “donated” $3 million for a manual recount in Wisconsin.

The new tally added precisely 132 votes to Joe Biden’s total.

And three Republican judges in Pennsylvania’s Appeals Court threw out the Trump campaign’s appeal. Judge Bibas, a Trump appointee, wrote the judgement saying there was NO EVIDENCE OF FRAUD. Oh, and that the legal case was badly written in the first place with no clear data.

[merman]

Lawsuit to declare mail-in ballots “illegal” in Pennsylvania thrown out.

[Barney]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... oter-fraud

Justice dept has found no evidence of fraud that would have affected the outcome of the election.

[merman]

Active investigation into whether people are “paying” Trump for pardons, while he is running around the White House asking for advice on whether he can pardon his family... the likelihood of him being arrested when he leaves the White House is increasing.

[Barney]

Active investigation into whether people are “paying” Trump for pardons, while he is running around the White House asking for advice on whether he can pardon his family... the likelihood of him being arrested when he leaves the White House is increasing.

He is also apparently looking into "pre-emptive pardons" so that if anyone is found guilty after he's left office they can still be pardoned? Just gets madder by the minute over that side of the pond.

Ah yes, this article: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... don-report mentions that as you say, he's looking at this for his family and friends.