Xbox Series X/S & Playstation 5 (PS5) Thread. Next-Gen 2020

[MattyP]

Excellent. Can't wait to give it a go.

Still get the feeling it will be wasted, pretty much everything will have a PS4 version and a majority an Xbox version, so developers will be lazy.

And by lazy I mean have an impossible deadline to meet and a million things to develop/change/fix.

Yes, this is my fear too. It's basically what happened with the Vita: 95% of games were ports from other platforms and didn't take advantage of the additional hardware available.

Well I guess at least it's there! Teardown of the controller if anyone is interested! A lot of tech crammed into that! Nice bit of engineering Sony impressed!

[fog]

Well I guess at least it's there! Teardown of the controller if anyone is interested! A lot of tech crammed into that! Nice bit of engineering Sony impressed!

It's amazing what extras they have crammed into the Dualsense when compared to the XBox Series controllers.

Haptic feedback
Adaptive triggers (I think XS has Rumble Triggers?)
Microphone (with mute button)
Speaker
Rechargeable battery
Touch pad

It remains to be seen how much the various features are supported, but innovation and refinement should always be encouraged IMO. It's something Nontendo also do well.

[Rhythm]

I still use my PS4 but complexities of running a console these days mean I'm primarily a PC guy and I won't be dipping into PS5. That said, I *really* hope Sony make the DualSense accessible to PC developers. We've not had a real change to controller tech since the PS3 (motion) and the results of that were fantastic, so here's hoping PC devs get to take advantage of DualSense stuff

[MattyP]

I still use my PS4 but complexities of running a console these days mean I'm primarily a PC guy and I won't be dipping into PS5. That said, I *really* hope Sony make the DualSense accessible to PC developers. We've not had a real change to controller tech since the PS3 (motion) and the results of that were fantastic, so here's hoping PC devs get to take advantage of DualSense stuff

That indeed would be cool.... I love tinkering with new tech and experiences. Just not really interested in paying £450 for a PS5 (even if I could actually get one at that price!!) but love the idea of the pad. Really hope PC devs start to tinker with DualSense support in games. Surely thinking about it for third party devs it would just be a matter of detecting on the PC and enabling it if detected... guess they'll have to code stuff in for PS5 anyway.

[Rhythm]

That indeed would be cool.... I love tinkering with new tech and experiences. Just not really interested in paying £450 for a PS5 (even if I could actually get one at that price!!) but love the idea of the pad. Really hope PC devs start to tinker with DualSense support in games. Surely thinking about it for third party devs it would just be a matter of detecting on the PC and enabling it if detected... guess they'll have to code stuff in for PS5 anyway.

I'm hoping this is reminiscent of the days when vibration started to make inroads after Ninty did their add-on pak and Sony brought out the DualShock.

[MattyP]

https://gamerant.com/ps5-heat-issues-test/

Seems one of the RAM chips is running up at 90-95oC. Not sure how much of an issue with long reliability. Is this a safe operating temperature over long periods of time? Don't really know too much about thermal operating temperatures chips. Sure PC bits and bobs get hot although guess there is more breathing space in them.

I expect if there are any potential issues Sony will quietly revise the hardware.

Odd thing is that this is the case sides being on hinder rather than aid cooling. Thought the whole purpose of the odd case design of the PS5 was all to help with cooling?!

Launch hardware eh. Don't think it will ever reach the lofty heights of the RRoD issue on the 360.

[fog]

https://gamerant.com/ps5-heat-issues-test/

Seems one of the RAM chips is running up at 90-95oC. Not sure how much of an issue with long reliability. Is this a safe operating temperature over long periods of time? Don't really know too much about thermal operating temperatures chips. Sure PC bits and bobs get hot although guess there is more breathing space in them.

I expect if there are any potential issues Sony will quietly revise the hardware.

Odd thing is that this is the case sides being on hinder rather than aid cooling. Thought the whole purpose of the odd case design of the PS5 was all to help with cooling?!

Launch hardware eh. Don't think it will ever reach the lofty heights of the RRoD issue on the 360.

Well if the RRoD was responsible for one thing it's all the bollocks scaremongering stories that pop-up at every launch. I'd never buy a console if only half of them were true, but I get them all at launch (aside from the Switch Lite) and they are still working fine.

[Misfit]

True. I’ve had no launch day issues. (He says warily as PS5 still unopened)

I hope it does run hot. It can help reduce my use of central heating that needs to be on too much now I work from home all the time...

[merman]

https://gamerant.com/ps5-heat-issues-test/

Seems one of the RAM chips is running up at 90-95oC. Not sure how much of an issue with long reliability. Is this a safe operating temperature over long periods of time? Don't really know too much about thermal operating temperatures chips. Sure PC bits and bobs get hot although guess there is more breathing space in them.

I expect if there are any potential issues Sony will quietly revise the hardware.

Odd thing is that this is the case sides being on hinder rather than aid cooling. Thought the whole purpose of the odd case design of the PS5 was all to help with cooling?!

Launch hardware eh. Don't think it will ever reach the lofty heights of the RRoD issue on the 360.

Friend of mine has had overheating problems with his brand new PS5.

[MattyP]

https://gamerant.com/ps5-heat-issues-test/

Seems one of the RAM chips is running up at 90-95oC. Not sure how much of an issue with long reliability. Is this a safe operating temperature over long periods of time? Don't really know too much about thermal operating temperatures chips. Sure PC bits and bobs get hot although guess there is more breathing space in them.

I expect if there are any potential issues Sony will quietly revise the hardware.

Odd thing is that this is the case sides being on hinder rather than aid cooling. Thought the whole purpose of the odd case design of the PS5 was all to help with cooling?!

Launch hardware eh. Don't think it will ever reach the lofty heights of the RRoD issue on the 360.

Well if the RRoD was responsible for one thing it's all the bollocks scaremongering stories that pop-up at every launch. I'd never buy a console if only half of them were true, but I get them all at launch (aside from the Switch Lite) and they are still working fine.

I know... This is true though:-



I bought a 360 at launch... and never had the RRoD though. So indeed maybe scaremongering who knows. Not sure why they would do that though he was just testing out the thermals in that vid. Although he's not conducted a test on a Series X yet. Be interesting know how hot that gets too.... (just because I did have a 360 although sure Sony/MS are uber careful after that issue!!!).

Good to be cautious though I guess. Series X seems OK so far. Blowing warm air out on full load so at least the cooling system is working well.

[fog]

I know... This is true though:-

What's true? From what I watched all he says is it runs hot but doesn't actually say it's outside of spec and will cause damage. He did get his clicks though



Anyhoo while we are speculating, this is an interesting quote from XBox boss Phil Spencer.

"I applaud what they did with the controller, not actually for--well, I shouldn't say not for the specifics of the controller, but more than just the specifics of the controller," he said. "I think for all of us in the industry, we should learn from each other and the innovation that we all push on, whether it’s distribution of business model like Game Pass, or controller tech, or the Wii back in the day, which clearly had an impact on us when we went off and did Kinect and Sony did the Move."

https://www.gamespot.com/amp-articles/x ... 0-6484865/

I hope that's a hint that they might add haptics and adaptive triggers to the XBox as that would benefit everyone. XBox users get those features and there's more chance of third-party support on Playstation if both consoles support it.

[MattyP]

I know... This is true though:-

What's true? From what I watched all he says is it runs hot but doesn't actually say it's outside of spec and will cause damage. He did get his clicks though



Anyhoo while we are speculating, this is an interesting quote from XBox boss Phil Spencer.

"I applaud what they did with the controller, not actually for--well, I shouldn't say not for the specifics of the controller, but more than just the specifics of the controller," he said. "I think for all of us in the industry, we should learn from each other and the innovation that we all push on, whether it’s distribution of business model like Game Pass, or controller tech, or the Wii back in the day, which clearly had an impact on us when we went off and did Kinect and Sony did the Move."

https://www.gamespot.com/amp-articles/x ... 0-6484865/

I hope that's a hint that they might add haptics and adaptive triggers to the XBox as that would benefit everyone. XBox users get those features and there's more chance of third-party support on Playstation if both consoles support it.

Perhaps.... MS put rumble in the triggers and that is hardly implemented. Its a shame nobody really uses this tech. The Sony DS4 had lots of features that were hardly used. Sigh.

Personally I think the Wii and Nintendo were the last to bring anything fairly siezmic changes to the table. Still have my Wii now and use it for bowling and Wii Sports amongst other games - the Mario Galaxies in particular are fantastic games. Yes waggle was seen to be a huge gimmick by many gamers but it also played more traditional games too. Great console. I really liked the WiiU too. Enjoyed playing Splatoon on two screen with one one the children. It was a great concept sadly badly marketed.

Anyhow... Sure the PS5 will be fine. Not sure what the safe operating temperatures of these things are however sure Sony have done a whole load of stress testing on the thing. It was just a story I read and I was surprised that the chip was running so hot (when the others weren't). Don't think my PC CPUs have ever run at 90-95oC - generally it was a bad thing and around 70oC was the usual area. However PS5 might be designed to work at these temperatures.

Would it stop me buying a PS5 if they were in stock and I wanted one. Probably not. It's good these reports come out at least we know if there are any potential design issues anywhere. This seems a fairly detailed analysis of a potential issue (or non issue). I mean I bought a 360 at launch. I knew that thing would have heat issues. I was amazed how hot that thing ran at launch. In fact I had it for 18months or so and then got rid of it whilst it was still working (MS hadn't announced RRoD replacement/service program at that point).

[Jonesey]

Looks like the Series S/X is/are something of an emulation station!



Can't help but love this sort of thing..

[Misfit]

And a follow-up with Saturn, Dreamcast and Naiomi...

Very nice considering it's not been developed much yet.

[WiteWulf]

Three months Game Pass Ultimate for £1?

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020 ... -just-gbp1