Fool me, this is real good shit ! [the VR thread]

[Cloudane]

Is there a furry-approved haptic solution, or are you just using your imagination?

It's surprising how nice a good hug feels in VR without anything else being necessary (and the thing with furs is many of them like ALL THE CUDDLES). But there is also a phenomenon known as phantom touch where your brain is fooled into actually feeling something (well I think it's more like an anticipation as if you're about to be touched), it's usually a tingle or a slight warmth. I get it on the face, chest and arms

If you mean lewd stuff though I am tempted on Lovense

[gilesgoat]

Is it me or "recently" I have the impression that Oculus is going a bit shit ?

I mean problems with the APP and such ?

[Cloudane]

Been shit for a while (acquisition by FB) but still the best value...

Currently a lot of the time if I lift the headset up to look at something on the desktop then put it back on, there's about a 50/50 chance the Quest Link will go down to slideshow FPS until it's restarted. It's really annoying.

[gilesgoat]

So we got a Quest 2 .. check it a quite a bit yesterday ..

Overall impression .. *SIGH* *MEH* ..

Let's say it has some PROs and some CONs .. totally up to you what pros/or cons you can deal with

First "super CON" .. the display .. it's NOT OLED and IT SHOWS

The black is NOT black, it's quite "greyish" in fact, the only way to trick the eye and make it look "almost black" is to have a scene with quite a number high contrast elements.

"Subtle colours on a black backround" .. you are NOT going to see those, there's NO black ...

Second for me "CON" .. overall the feeling is a bit more on the "more plastic side, cheaper build", well it is cheaper by about 100 pounds.

Third "Con" the menu/oculus button they moved them away a bit, but enough such if you are used to where the old ones were in the Quest you'll have to get re-used to find them, plus they don't have that touch of the Quest one, you have to squeeze "quite hard" to make them register.

PROs .. "it's lighter", it's a bit lighter than the previous one.

"It's a bit cheaper" ( and it shows ).

"It has more resolution" BUT this also means "you consume MORE cpu/gpu" so far "quick and dirt test by eye" it's like "ok it's not really that much faster then the other ( it is a bit ) because now it has more to render".

It's white .. this means maybe you can paint it/cusomise it ?

Developer's CON .. "something must have changed a bit in the GPU/stuff, some stuff breaks a little, some a bit more, have to figure out why yet".

In essence "if they would have asked me what I wanted in a 2" I would have said "faster CPU/GPU, leave ALL the rest, especially the OLED display as it is, the display is really quite a downer for me"

I am not even convinced it's possible to pull 120Fps on that thing unless you remain VERY BASIC in what you draw.

But we'll see at time passes ( and I'll code straswear more on it ) and what we'll be able to take out from it.

But yeah first impession after the initial excitement ( that did not last very long ) been more around the lines "is that what it is ???!" ..

Ok it's cheper BUT at this point I'd say "I'd like to have THE OPTION to buy something MORE expensive but CLOSER that what I really want".

[The ghost of raids past]

You forgot the biggest Con Facebook. Boycott all Oculus gear.

[Oaf]

You can buy a non-Facebook version, but it’s $500 extra. Shows how much of a commodity you are, and how valuable your data is.

I think Quest 2 has been a game changer. No wires and “cheap” enough for people to take a punt on - especially now you can play PC VR games on it.

What worries me though is the extent that Facebook will go to to collect data on you with this headset and extrapolate personality traits and behaviours; even worse, those which Facebook and governments deem to be anti-social, anti-credit rating, anti-government and anti-propaganda. “Oh look, he participated in an environmental protest in this game...he killed an innocent bystander in this game...he had an unusual affinity with llamas in this game”...and so on.

[Cloudane]

I have a Q2...

The good:
Outstanding value for money. I find it too hard to justify dumping a grand on an index
General picture quality is amazing especially coming from a CV1
Stand-alone and wireless support are great and an absolute must for me. I like being able to sit up in bed and be in vrchat for example while the PC is in another room. I could move the PC but would then not have enough room for more movement related games. I might make my next system a gaming laptop though if they're really good enough now as some say they are.

The meh:
I'm not that arsed about Facebook, I already use it, I already know that just carrying a smartphone around means that the "privacy fight" is long lost.
I need it at the widest setting so get a bit of a crap field of view, but I don't notice most of the time


The bad:
Yes, the black level is atrociously bad. I don't know how it compares to other LCD based headsets (which they all are now for some stupid reason) but I do miss being able to walk through a dark environment instead of a murky grey. Dimly lit bars in vrchat are now jazz bars as they look like they're filled with smoke. I still keep thinking about getting a Quest 1 just for dark stuff. (Having both is still cheaper than buying most other VR headsets)


In other news, I've been playing Synth Riders a lot lately. I prefer it to Beat Saber definitely, BS no matter how much I mess with the audio latency setting always seems wayyyy off with the actual beats of the song and I feel like I'm memorising the block patterns and swinging at them independent of the music. SR does not have this problem and really feels like you're dancing to the beat and is vastly more enjoyable as a result.

[Harlequin]

… I don't know how it compares to other LCD based headsets (which they all are now for some stupid reason) …

One reason appears to be that LCDs allow for greater subpixel density than current OLEDs.

[Jamesac]

Third "Con" the menu/oculus button they moved them away a bit, but enough such if you are used to where the old ones were in the Quest you'll have to get re-used to find them, plus they don't have that touch of the Quest one, you have to squeeze "quite hard" to make them register.

I actually put that one in the Pro column. I don't know about Quest 1 but the original Rift, those buttons were far too easy to hit by accident. Now they only go off if I very specifically chase after them.

[Misfit]

I got over the OLED issue pretty quickly.

Once you don't have them side by side, the extra resolution and refresh rate make it by far the better device (especially if linking to a PC) and it is lighter.

I did have to get the pro strap to really prefer it though. The normal strap is far worse than the v1

[Cloudane]

To be fair I put the Rift back on at one point and yeah, rather than the grey smoke you get the weird "colour glitter" type effect over everything and you really notice how bad the resolution is by comparison

In terms of straps I should have just gone straight for the elite. Tried to skimp and got a cheap halo type, it's trash, it's constantly sliding off the headset's "ears" and the ratchet mechanism has already worn out after a few hours and started going back on itself. It's probably headed for the bin. Buy cheap buy twice...

[gilesgoat]

To be fair I put the Rift back on at one point and yeah, rather than the grey smoke you get the weird "colour glitter" type effect over everything and you really notice how bad the resolution is by comparison

In terms of straps I should have just gone straight for the elite. Tried to skimp and got a cheap halo type, it's trash, it's constantly sliding off the headset's "ears" and the ratchet mechanism has already worn out after a few hours and started going back on itself. It's probably headed for the bin. Buy cheap buy twice...

I tried VRChat to see how it looks like .. where are all the furries ?

[Cloudane]

I tried VRChat to see how it looks like .. where are all the furries ?

Everywhere! But mostly FurHub (where you can also pick up some avatars), VirtualFurence Convention Centre, Furry Talk & Chill or FurLounge

Occasionally the Great Pug if we feel like winding up the one ban evading guy who has nothing better to do than spend all day in there trying to tell people off for being furries.

[gilesgoat]

BIG VAFFANC*** moments ...

Try as we may "we can't get it connected to the PC yet".

Note that is weird in the sense that "all other apps BUT Oculus Home seems to see it" and without Oculus Home not working it's not possible to run PC stuff on it.

We tried cables, we tried all USB 3.0 / 2.0 ports .. nada ..

BUT the weird thing is that "you can actually browse its data from the PC", "adb devices" DOES list it .. all in theory SHOULD be working ..

Except that "Oculus Home" refuses to make it work ...

We are still swearing and investigating ...

[edit] - when you connect it it INSISTS you pass through a "setup" stage where it make appear a window with a graphic saying "Connect your Quest to your USB port via the cable" .. which .. is ALREADY connect and is what makes that stuff appear in the first place..

At that point "is stuck there" like nothing is connected and does not progress any further in any way ...

[gilesgoat]

Useless to say that "complete UNsupport of Oculus" is less to say "fantastic" ..

Their official documentation seems to say "if that happens try to disconnect/reconnect the cable and/or reboot the PC/SW" ...

... I am speechless ...