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I'd mentioned before that the new mRNA technique - which is being used for the first time with Pfizer and Moderna - had the potential to be game-changing.

It seems that the DoD have actually been working on, and trialling, that "generic coronavirus vaccine" idea and reckon they are close:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 80687.html
US Army claims it is close to developing vaccine against all Covid variants and coronaviruses

Army-developed SpFN vaccine completed phase 1 of human trials earlier this year
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The institute said it took longer than expected for human trials because the vaccine had to be tested on people who had neither been inoculated nor infected with Covid to know its efficacy.
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The [Walter Reed] research institute said it was focused on the “longer game” to understand how the viruses mutate and not only the original emergence of SARS.
Basically, the mRNA vaccines essentially use, ironically enough, a similar strategy to viruses themselves.

Viruses insert RNA / DNA into your cells and make your cells do the work of creating proteins, to make more copies of the virus. That is, the virus gives your cells "fake instructions" to make more virus.

The mRNA vaccines essentially take the same approach of providing your cells "instructions" - messenger RNA - which your cells then produce.

So, with the Covid vaccines, they've isolated, from the virus, the RNA it uses to produce its "spike" and then that's what you're injected with. So your cells produce the proteins to make a "spike" (but it's only the spike, and nothing else from the virus, so it's harmless and doesn't do anything, except prompt your immune system to respond to the "invasion" and wipe it out).

But, well, this mRNA technique is more generic than just that. For obvious reasons, all the main research has been on developing a vaccine specifically for Covid-19, but the mRNA technique holds more promise than just that.

And it seems that, in the background, the Walter Reed institute - the DoD's biomedical research people - has been working on the potential game-changer. Instead of making a very specific vaccine for the Covid spike protein, why not grab the RNA for something that's common to all coronaviruses?

Don't chase the individual mutations, but rather find something that's more fundamental to the whole class of coronavirus and then work on a vaccine for that. To create a generic vaccine for all coronaviruses. Not just Covid-19 and all its variants, but the common cold is also a coronavirus too.

Instead of focusing on just the "spike" protein, focus on some other aspect of coronaviruses in general that makes a coronavirus a coronavirus. Some universal generic property that they all share... and then create a vaccine against that.

Perhaps you can see how, if this works, it's truly game-changing. We stop chasing after individual variants, and we focus on knocking out whole classes of virus in one go.

If we can make this work - that's a big "if", of course - then we've got a brand new weapon in the fight against all disease.

Because, yeah, the mRNA technique isn't only applicable to viruses. You could also take on many other diseases - such as, perhaps, cancer - because what we've got is a general mechanism to give the body "instructions" to produce proteins (and, like, everything in the body and how it works pretty much boils down to proteins, as they're the building blocks of living things).

And the irony is that we've stolen this idea from viruses. Viruses "hijack" our cells to make copies of themselves. The mRNA technique is about directly giving our cells the "messenger RNA" to make these proteins. We're directly injecting "instructions" for the cells to carry out. So if we can work out what proteins we need, then we can just inject the "instructions" for making it directly into someone's arm, and then leave the body / immune system to do all the work.

Where viruses inject the "instructions" of "make more viruses" into our cells, we can inject the "instructions" of "make this harmless version of the virus". But, conceivably - and this is what Walter Reed have been working on - you could insert "instructions" for "this is something that all coronaviruses have". A generic property of them all. And then you're priming the immune system not just for one particular spike protein, but for any type of coronavirus at all. Even the ones that don't exist yet.

Give the immune system more generic "instructions" for dealing with any and all coronaviruses, not just the specific Covid variant we're worried about right now.

So, the silver lining of all this is that it's focused funding and research on this new technique - and then "mass tested" it on a scale of billions now* - which could prove game-changing for future medicine, now that we've basically got a technique for directly injecting "protein instructions" into people's arms.

(*That was a thing I heard from anti-vaxxers. That the vaccines are "experimental". Look, initially, of course they were. Because, like, until you actually jab people, you can't know if it'll work or not. But, at this point, to call these vaccines "experimental" is dumb. They've been injected into billions of arms. This probably makes it one of the most tested vaccines / medicines in all of human history by now. So, you know, anti-vaxxers need to update their arguments. Time passes. You can't keep calling it "experimental" forever.)
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Rcvd notification that my booster dose or third dose as it's generally called here, has been scheduled for the week after Xmas, 5 months were up today so it seems scheduling is going fine.
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Had my booster today.

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I imagine the "Global Depopulation Conspiracy" crowd will be thrilled that the US military is developing an all-purpose Coronavirus vaccine.

Anti-vaxxers rarely update their arguments. Oh, they change the wording, but rather like Creationists the basis ("Not our precious bodily fluids!") is the same that it ever was. The Coronavirus vaccine will be "experimental" until the End of Time for them; if its not the current ones then the next ones will be.
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Day 3 .. the pain continues ... :(

Despite head and the rest "seems ok" I have this "general aching of bones/muscles/etc." that is quite persistent ..

I mean it feels like "all my nerves are inflamed" or dunno what, had another night of "got awake some time X in pain could not sleep a second since" :(

I hope it'll soon goes away because it's really getting pretty wearing.
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F-ZeroOne wrote:I imagine the "Global Depopulation Conspiracy" crowd will be thrilled that the US military is developing an all-purpose Coronavirus vaccine.
Yeah. To be honest, I'm not exactly stoked to hear it was the DoD either. America's attitude / track record is hardly the greatest (e.g. the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, which was blatantly racist and akin to something Josef Mengele would do).

I would rather see that it was anybody else doing this too. But, well, the DoD have the time and money to do it and if it works, then it works.
F-ZeroOne wrote:Anti-vaxxers rarely update their arguments. Oh, they change the wording, but rather like Creationists the basis ("Not our precious bodily fluids!") is the same that it ever was. The Coronavirus vaccine will be "experimental" until the End of Time for them; if its not the current ones then the next ones will be.
You're quite right. Doesn't stop me getting annoyed about it, though. From both anti-vaxxers and Creationists, now you mention it.
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Update .. 12:33 .. PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN ! :cry:

I feel like "someone is breaking all my nerves" .. if I move or I stay still of whatver .. it just HURTS ...

I'll try to put at least some heat patches for the back and try to do some light work .. can't even stay on the PC if I stay "still" seems to be much worse.

F**K ME if this is "a sample" of what Omicron/Covid can do you REALLY REALLY REALLY DO NOT WANT to catch it !!!

.. and yes F**K all the anti-vaxxers and such, they should learn what it means to really get ill !
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This afternoon the line for Covid 19 testing :o

The start

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It went from there to the entrance of the garden and then on the sidewalk around it back to a point in the direction of the tent

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After two Ibux and a sleep yesterday I have been feeling fine, but when checking I still seem to have just a slight temperature increase which I wouldn't be able to just guess.
The stiffness in the arm seemed to go away at the same time as the temperature dropped.
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I was at workies today and the Pharmacist asked me if I had my covid booster yet? I told her no. She said that they had a batch of Pfizer booster shots that will expire in two days and would I like one now, so I agreed.

I asked her about the side effects due to the fact i got a nice high fever with the Moderna shots. She mentioned that the side effects with Pfizer have been known to be much lighter. So we shall see tomorrow morning.
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Got my third perforation yesterday, moderna, was quite cagey about it given the comments from ex. giles. So far a bit sore around the injection site, but les so than with pfizer, no other ill effects. We'll see how it goes at work...
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tufty wrote:Got my third perforation yesterday, moderna, was quite cagey about it given the comments from ex. giles. So far a bit sore around the injection site, but les so than with pfizer, no other ill effects. We'll see how it goes at work...
Very minor soreness in the arm for me, but jelly head on second day and that night had me tossing and turning like mad. Was completely fine 36 hours post-jab though
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tufty wrote:Got my third perforation yesterday, moderna, was quite cagey about it given the comments from ex. giles. So far a bit sore around the injection site, but les so than with pfizer, no other ill effects. We'll see how it goes at work...
Day 4 ... still half crippled .. after wearing a "Hot patch" for the back for all the day and took 200mg ibuprofen before to go bed for the first time I manage to sleep .. a bit .. this time waking up in the middle of the night with "same type of pain" in the lower legs/ankles/around the crotch.

It's "a weird type of pain" that "you can't even understand where actually it is", seems like "in the bones" I am starting to believe someway it affects the nervous system.

Also at times it seems to totally vanish, then after a while "it's back there" ..

At times feels like "all in sudden someone got a tiny needle and poked you in a nerve resulting in a feeling of a sharp sting followed by a wave of pain" anyway this seems stopped and seemed 'more frequent' when in bed that now I am awake.

I should NOT have talked with my mum yesterday, she told me she had "a very bad reaction" to her FIRST shot .. and took her .. 25 days about to return back to normal ..

We'll see how long is going to take me .. :(
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tufty wrote:Got my third perforation yesterday, moderna, was quite cagey about it given the comments from ex. giles. So far a bit sore around the injection site, but les so than with pfizer, no other ill effects. We'll see how it goes at work...
Let me know becuase it would be interesting to compare, also for me to understand "if I am particularly unlucky with Moderna", so far "a hell of an experience", it's the fact to have this constant pain that never fades away :evil:

I forgot to ask if it was Moderna and/or Pfizer what was my mum's first shot, at her first shot she had such a really BAD reaction she ALMOST ended up in a hospital, very high fever and lot of complications for 2 days, thankfully then they started to slow down ( if it would have been a 3rd day like that she would have tried to go in a hospital for sure ! ).

I mean I know it wasn't Astrazeneca becuase that time it wasn't available in Italy but not sure which one of the two.

Mind you "I begin to wonder if there's something genetic as well", my mum has a condition that MAYBE MIGHT explain why me/her are "so sensitive to this kind of thing in this way" but could be just "an armchair detective hypothesis".

( assuming and it's all to be seen that in "inherited" maybe some of that stuff from her ).
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The NZ government have decided to shorten the time for boosters to 4 months!
I can't book a time yet as the website still picks a date side months after the last. It won't be available formbooking until after the 17 January, or walk in clinics earlier in the month.
Not personally the greatest as I would have preferred my booster before Christmas. But I guess it's something?
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