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In his interview with Le Parisien on Tuesday, Mr Macron used the vulgar term emmerder to say how he wanted to stir up the unvaccinated. He would not "vaccinate by force" the remaining five million who had not had a dose, but hoped to encourage people to get the vaccines by "limiting as much as possible their access to activities in social life".
"I won't send [unvaccinated people] to prison," he said. "So we need to tell them, from 15 January, you will no longer be able to go to the restaurant. You will no longer be able to go for a coffee, you will no longer be able to go to the theatre. You will no longer be able to go to the cinema."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59873833

He said a bit more than it's mentioned there:

« Quand ma liberté vient menacer celle des autres, je deviens un irresponsable. Un irresponsable n’est plus un citoyen », juge-t-il. (https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/articl ... 23448.html)

(loose translation: when my freedom threaten that of other, I become an irresponsible person. An irresponsible is not any longer a citizen)

I'm not particular fond of Macron, and probably presidents shouldn't speak like that but I a kind of agree with him. Actually here vaccination certifications are already needed to go to most of those places.
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Djokovic has his visa cancelled and won't be allowed in.

Well done Australia :D
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I do love the cat's reaction at 1:46
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Cloudane wrote:Seems like everyone has it now, half of work is isolating and it seems like the other half are going around work with "colds".

I'd honestly be surprised if we don't basically all get it, particularly now that we're "all in" on the herd immunity gamble. Fingers crossed!
Here, I wouldn't say half but there seems to be a lot people infected and lots of people with colds. There was an 8 hours wait at the urgency of some of the capital's hospitals and even though it's better now but they are asking people not run to the hospital urgency just because you have a running nose and you want to know if it is Covid.
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SuperMappy wrote:

I do love the cat's reaction at 1:46
Kinell, what an incredibly unhinged individual. He's missing one major point about his argument to "lead" people - the luxury of time.

If you're a business owner and need to pivot or roll out a new strategy/product, you can spend time getting people on board. That's out of the window in a time of actual emergency though. Following this guy's logic he'd kick off about conscription in the event of a major conflict.

No-one ever wants to invoke emergency measures and start dictating to people what they should do, but from time-to-time it's absolutely necessary
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Rhythm wrote:
SuperMappy wrote:

I do love the cat's reaction at 1:46
Kinell, what an incredibly unhinged individual. He's missing one major point about his argument to "lead" people - the luxury of time.

If you're a business owner and need to pivot or roll out a new strategy/product, you can spend time getting people on board. That's out of the window in a time of actual emergency though. Following this guy's logic he'd kick off about conscription in the event of a major conflict.

No-one ever wants to invoke emergency measures and start dictating to people what they should do, but from time-to-time it's absolutely necessary
Erm .. never seen / heard him before .. who is that guy anyway ???
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Rhythm wrote:Following this guy's logic he'd kick off about conscription in the event of a major conflict.
To be fair, I'd kick off about conscription in the event of a major conflict. I'd like to be able to decide for myself what I'm willing to die for, thanks very much.
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Ollie wrote:
Rhythm wrote:Following this guy's logic he'd kick off about conscription in the event of a major conflict.
To be fair, I'd kick off about conscription in the event of a major conflict. I'd like to be able to decide for myself what I'm willing to die for, thanks very much.
I meant about the idea that conscription might be needed, which is separate from the idea that individuals might want to fight back against being conscripted.

To use another example, imagine there's a fire in a crowded building. Alarm goes off and wardens start ushering people out. He's arguing that individuals would be correct in arguing with those wardens that they shouldn't have to leave the building
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Also, whether someone needs qualifications to comment entirely depends on what they're commenting on, surely.

Like, if I'm saying "I don't want a jab because I don't like needles" then zero PhDs are required.

But if you're saying "it's the 5G! 'They' are using it to transmit the virus!", then it would behove you to have at least a basic science education to realise what a nonsensical crock of shit you're talking. You can't transmit physical things via radio waves. That whole concept is a complete non-starter. The very premise of it is not physically possible.

Again, though, you don't need a full-blown PhD or anything to understand that; but you do need some basic science literacy to know that 5G is just radio waves - which is the same stuff as light, but at a different frequency - so, like, could you "transmit" something physical with a torch? No? Then you can't do it with 5G either.

In essence, this is the same "we're tired of experts" that Michael Gove was spouting during Brexit. That post-factual nonsense that your personal opinion outweighs measurable scientific fact, or the laws of basic arithmetic.

Yeah, no, that's bollocks.

You can "disagree" with gravity all you like, you're still going to go "smack!" against the pavement if you jump out of the window on the 100th floor of a skyscraper. You can "disagree" that 2 + 2 = 4, but you're just wrong and any arithmetic that you attempt using your "alternative rules" won't actually produce the correct answers.

It's that Cecile B. deMille quote: "You cannot break the law... you can only break yourself against the law".

That is, you can't break the Second Law of Thermodynamics... you can only break yourself against the rocks of reality, wasting your time trying to create a perpetual motion machine or investing in the latest scam (there's always one on the go, as we know from other threads) that claims it can do the impossible with magnets or something.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if you can't override reality's opinion. If reality says "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" then if your personal opinion differs from this then, to the extent of that difference, you're just wrong.

In a sense, the problem with the modern world is that science literacy is shite. They don't teach it well enough at school. Modern education focuses too much on "feelings" and "opinions", and not enough on facts. It's creating generations of people who erroneously think that reality is composed of just opinions. It's created this "post-factual" world.

You need at least a basic science literacy to be able to tell the difference between someone saying "I think there's enough oil left in the world to keep burning it for the next million years" - an opinion, based on fuck all - and someone saying "we have, at best, 41 years left (at current rates of consumption but, as the rate of consumption has always historically gone up all the time, that's why I'm saying 'at best', as it's going to be less than that in reality - and that's "to the last drop" but the price will get exponentially more expensive, as oil runs out, that it'll be unaffordable to most people way before it goes extinct)" - based on actual data (https://www.worldometers.info/) and logical reasoning that I've provided in what I said.

Basically, do the maths and, as we're all roughly of similar age here, I can say that oil will die within our lifetimes. Not a personal opinion, but the logical conclusion of the established facts.

I can see where the problem comes from, though. If you lack that basic science literacy, then you possibly don't know how to assess someone's claim. You don't know how to look up the facts for yourself to independently verify what they're saying.

If I say one thing and someone else says another, then you can't tell - without that basic set of skills in science literacy and critical thinking - which one of us is trying to report the facts, and which one of us is spouting some personal opinion that's just pushing a political agenda.

If you lack the ability to discern opinions from facts then, sure, I can see that you've got a massive problem, in that, to you, everything looks like a personal opinion. And, yes, in the realm of personal opinions, I'd fully agree that no-one's opinion inherently outranks anyone else's.

Indeed, that is, itself, a scientific principle. The Royal Society's motto is "Nullius in verba" - meaning "on the words of no-one" or, in modern parlance, "take nobody's word for it". The essence of that motto being that reality is the only "authority" and empirical experiment determines what the reality is.

But the reality is reality. Facts are facts. You cannot ever "override" them with anyone's personal opinions.

The point is that folks with PhDs usually are reporting what the facts are (mind you, not always - so, you know, when Stephen Hawking was commenting on AI, he was not an AI expert, so that was just a personal opinion - though he was a smart cookie, so it's not an entirely uninformed opinion. But it's not a fact, it's just what he personally thought about it).

So, by all means, you can be tired of hearing the experts report the facts. But you can't be tired of the facts. You can't ignore or overrule or outrank reality - that's just not how existence works.
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The BBC interviewed a US politician a little while back - go on, guess from which party - and their position was essentially that we shouldn't listen to these "so-called experts" and their learning (this is from memory, so its not the exact words but the gist of it is correct), especially medical professionals.

I have been interested in military aviation for most of my life. I have a basic understanding of how aeroplanes work. I've played some videogames involving modern jet fighters, though no "true" flight simulators in the vein of DCS World. I invite this man to take the back-seat when I next attempt to fly an actual F/A-18F Super Hornet with my current qualifications.

Edit: though he probably would be pretty safe. Starting a jet fighter isn't quite as simple as pressing the "GO!" button. Though if I somehow found their ejection seat handle...
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Well, Drakeford's got the balls to just say it as he sees it.

Accusing Boris and the UK government of simply failing to protect England adequately:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59895505
Covid: Drakeford accuses Johnson of failing to protect England

Mark Drakeford has accused Boris Johnson of failing to take the necessary action to protect people in England from Covid.

"The one country that stands up as not taking action to protect its population is England," said the first minister.
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He added that England was the "outlier" in the UK when came to Covid. The UK government has been asked to comment.
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However, defending keeping tighter restrictions in Wales, Mr Drakeford criticised Mr Johnson's approach, saying: "Wales is taking action as is Scotland, as is Northern Ireland and are countries right across Europe and right across the globe.

"In England, we have a government that is politically paralysed with a prime minister is unable to secure an agreement through his cabinet to take the actions that his advisors have been telling him ought to be taken."
As I said before, all the UK nations listen to the same scientists and advisors, so the fact that England's Covid policy has been so massively different to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is basically down to Boris capitulating to the Tory backbenchers. That England is an "outlier" in the UK picture is just simply factual. So this is nothing but "speaking truth to power".

But I hope he's ready for a bumpy ride.

Funding and cooperation for Wales will now all magically disappear in a puff of standard Tory corruption.

How dare this sheep-shagging pleb criticise us - the rich Eton-educated elites - when we are so much more "superior" to him! We'll have to teach him to "know his place" and remain silent in the company of his betters.

Because, come on, that's how it works in Boris's government. It's all nepotism and special corrupt deals for his mates, and donors paying for an atrociously ugly "make over" for the Downing Street flat:

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Although, at least they didn't waste taxpayer's money on that shite. It's fucking awful.

(And highly, highly pretentious - the red, the "fleur de lis"-like pattern, the "faux" medieval artwork... is so trying to pretend you're Royalty when you're fucking not. Carrie seems to reckon she's the Queen, when she's just the Chief Janitor's wife. You're not that special, love. Even your hubby doesn't rate you much, judging by his philandering elsewhere.)
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.. so tacky ...

.. on my wall there's a picture of Limb Clock :lol:
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KlaxonCow wrote:Because, come on, that's how it works in Boris's government. It's all nepotism and special corrupt deals for his mates, and donors paying for an atrociously ugly "make over" for the Downing Street flat:
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Although, at least they didn't waste taxpayer's money on that shite. It's fucking awful.

(And highly, highly pretentious - the red, the "fleur de lis"-like pattern, the "faux" medieval artwork... is so trying to pretend you're Royalty when you're fucking not. Carrie seems to reckon she's the Queen, when she's just the Chief Janitor's wife. You're not that special, love. Even your hubby doesn't rate you much, judging by his philandering elsewhere.)
Those appear to be pictures of Lulu Lytle's own home (none of those pets are Dylan); not of 11 Downing Street. The wilting Johnson allegedly complained about his wife ordering "gold" wallpaper from Lytle while the £840/roll stuff is a hand painted floral design:
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gilesgoat wrote:.. so tacky ...

.. on my wall there's a picture of Limb Clock :lol:
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Harlequin wrote:Those appear to be pictures of Lulu Lytle's own home (none of those pets are Dylan); not of 11 Downing Street.
Yes, upon further investigation, this is more a sample of Lulu Lytle's "style" than specifically what the Johnsons had done for their taxpayer-funded council flat.
Harlequin wrote:The wilting Johnson allegedly complained about his wife ordering "gold" wallpaper
Oh dear. "Gold" wallpaper? That's even more pretentious and up her own arse, thinking she's the fucking Queen, than the fancy red wallpaper.

If you're going for the "let's pretend we're the Royal family" thing, then at least don't be so garishly obvious about it.

Although, I guess covering your walls in "gold" is less colour-distorting than having red reflecting on everything. Usefully, Boris is not required to do any colour accurate work or he'd be fucked with the wife's appalling colour choices making the room "glow" in bizarre colours.
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KlaxonCow wrote:If you're going for the "let's pretend we're the Royal family" thing, then at least don't be so garishly obvious about it.
Not the royal family.

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