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Rhythm wrote:
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Rhythm wrote:.... but obvs we're concerned about long-term shit hitting her system.

This is all so frustrating
Are you talking about Covid and/or Boris ?
Yes :-)
Then we should start asking ourselves "which one of the two causes more damage" .. "probably the second" ...

"Who fucks more your children's future ?" .. And to an extent "you already have the answer" about "who fucked more the whole Covid thing ?" ( the politics ).
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gilesgoat wrote:Put a sign out EVERYONE MUST wear a mask to access the services !
We actually do have a big banner on that outside of the store that basically mentions, in so many words, that customers and associates are required to wear mask by state mandates or local ordinances. Of course no one in the store cares enough or is too damn lazy to bring it up and "inconvenience" the comfort of the customers for the sake of everyone's health.
Well, i was wrong, that banner was taken down weeks a go, guess no one cares anymore.
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Sh*t! 42 deaths in the last 24h. I hope this is not a trend. :(

And those idiots of the extreme right are going around campaigning for the elections in the streets without masks, and all on top of each other. :roll:
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Correction: 46 deaths, not 42
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PFVA wrote:Correction: 46 deaths, not 42
300 per day in Italy .. you are still below ...

And some people consider this "normal" now ...
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PFVA wrote:Correction: 46 deaths, not 42
300 per day in Italy .. you are still below ...
Only slightly, per capita, by my calculation.
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Yeah, per capita we are bellow Italy and slightly bellow Spain and France. But if we keep on the 40s we will catch up because we only have a bit over 10 million people.

But at least we are not reaching the 200, 300s of last year. Credit to the vaccine I think.

Speaking of that, a child around 11-12 died after being vaccinated. It tested positive to Covid before dying. The cause of death is related to the heart but they won't know details till after the autopsy results. Apparently it didn't have any health problems, or at least if it had they were not known to the parents.
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That's "funny", in Italy is extending even more the obligation to have the so called "green pass" and virologists seems to be warning/expecting "a much more worse variant" from October this year, they say Omicron "wasn't in fact the biggest treat" but the next one will be.

[edit] - ( Article but not fully visible ) : https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2022/ ... 334375206/

It seems to also say, for what I can see, that they believe that "more closures are not super effective BUT what WOULD BE really effective is if EVERYONE would get vaccinated", as it is they think that "Omicron could be manageable" BUT a next variant could be MUCH worse ( and the only way to defeat it would be to vaccinate as much as possible ).
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Yeah, throughout this, the word "mild" has been abused to all buggery and back.

"Omicron is mild".

Well, yes, compared to previous strains and compared to what it potentially could be. In those relative terms, you could say "mild".

But, like, it's still, in global terms, neck-and-neck with things like heart disease and cancer as the leading cause of death.

Tens of thousands of cases PER DAY and hundreds dead PER DAY - in a single country. The key words there are "per day". We're over 2 years - 365 X 2 days - into this so far, and that's a lot of fucking days to be happily accepting thousands of cases for.

It's a psychological thing, I guess. When 3000 are killed in one event - 9/11 - then it rocks people to their core to watch those events unfold, and the politicians want to rip up all human rights to enact their petty revenge. But, like, when 300 people die for 10 days in a row, and do so un-watched in hospital beds around the country - and that keeps happening over and over for months on end - then it's chalked up as "acceptable", apparently.

This is "mild". Don't worry about it. You don't need to wear masks. Et cetera.
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KlaxonCow wrote:
Yeah, throughout this, the word "mild" has been abused to all buggery and back.

"Omicron is mild".

Well, yes, compared to previous strains and compared to what it potentially could be. In those relative terms, you could say "mild".

But, like, it's still, in global terms, neck-and-neck with things like heart disease and cancer as the leading cause of death.

Tens of thousands of cases PER DAY and hundreds dead PER DAY - in a single country. The key words there are "per day". We're over 2 years - 365 X 2 days - into this so far, and that's a lot of fucking days to be happily accepting thousands of cases for.

It's a psychological thing, I guess. When 3000 are killed in one event - 9/11 - then it rocks people to their core to watch those events unfold, and the politicians want to rip up all human rights to enact their petty revenge. But, like, when 300 people die for 10 days in a row, and do so un-watched in hospital beds around the country - and that keeps happening over and over for months on end - then it's chalked up as "acceptable", apparently.

This is "mild". Don't worry about it. Et cetera.
Is it the same "psychology" of "the frogs in the pot of hot water ?" ..

What is that story about frogs in a pot of water someone raising up the temp 1C at the time, the frogs thinking "it's only 1C is NOTHING" .. until it gets 100C more and all the frogs are boiled alive ?

( same thing like prices rising 2% more or portions getting 1% smaller or stuff like that ? )

[edit] - also if 20 people die in a bombing "that's a national/international tragedy" .. 20 people dying "for semi-natural causes" in hospitals ? NOBODY EVEN NOTICES , no actually NOBODY WANTS TO SEE/KNOW the "it's normal" it's "a coping mechanism for something that nobody can cope with" ... (i.e. like pretending "it does not exist" or "eh nothing can be done" ) ...

[edit2] - I also SUPPOSE "something around these lines happens" ( depending on time )

1. there's a tragic event
2. oh dear oh dear someone help us
3. oh dear oh dear maybe no one can help , let's help each other out
4. oh dear is dragging too long
5. nah this is not happening
6. I don't care, as long as it does NOT happen to ME
7. nothing is happening or yes some shit does happen but NOW "It's NORMAL"

Note that between 1 .. 7 "nothing changed" and/or "got even worse" but you go from "acceptance" to "ignorance" to "I don't care any more, I don't want to care"

"7 stages of I can't do a shit about this ??"
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gilesgoat wrote:Is it the same "psychology" of "the frogs in the pot of hot water ?" ..

What is that story about frogs in a pot of water someone raising up the temp 1C at the time, the frogs thinking "it's only 1C is NOTHING" .. until it gets 100C more and all the frogs are boiled alive ?
Yes, it very much is boiling frogs.

And human psychology does seem to suffer from that "boiling frogs" problem.

"See climate change for more details", I guess.

If the weather and the environment turned to shit overnight, then people would freak out and immediately do something about it. But because it's a "death by a thousand cuts" kind of thing, where it gradually gets worse over time, and climate scientists are talking about long-term effects - by 2050, by 2100 and other distant dates (and I'll surely be dead by 2100) - then it never quite hits home to make people do much of anything.

And, as you say, gradual price rises - 1% here, 2% there - go unnoticed. But it soon adds up.

Like, if the annual growth rate is 7% - which doesn't sound like much, does it? - then the doubling time is 10 years. Or, scaling that down, 7% a month is only 10 months from doubling.

Humans, unfortunately, just don't naturally think in these non-linear terms. Our emotions and instincts don't react to things that take, like, years and years to happen.


I've not seen it yet, but there's a satirical comedy film "Don't Look Up" on NetFlix, which basically mocks the shit out of this sort of thing:



6 months until the frog boils. But no-one gives a shit.
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KlaxonCow wrote: I've not seen it yet, but there's a satirical comedy film "Don't Look Up" on NetFlix, which basically mocks the shit out of this sort of thing:

Oh man, watch it.

Or don't, because whilst it's funny, it's all gallows humour of the most fundamental existential type. Genuinely terrifying
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Johnson ditching Plan B to save his political career.

Blood on his hands.
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I'd be less worried if daily cases weren't levelling off at around 100k, admittedly.
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