Coronavirus Pandemic

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merman wrote:The NHS was in crisis BEFORE the pandemic.
True, true. They've been slowly starving it all along.
merman wrote:750,000 extra people now “economically inactive” (unable to work full time) because of long COVID.
There, but for the grace of Chaos Theory, go I.

My Long Covid was mild, and it wore off sufficiently by the time lockdowns ended and returning to the office started happening. But it was a random roll of the dice, I recognise. I could still be ill, as there are those that are. Forced through illness into "economically inactive" poverty and struggle.

Tally up those small mercies, I guess.
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Our local healthcare seems blessedly reasonable. I was at the doctor's yesterday with dysphagia and heartburn which I think I've already narrowed down to nightcaps and eliminated (he seems to agree and says it's very unlikely to be anything nasty but let's check with a gastroscopy). Told me as it's not worrying they might take a few weeks.

Due in tomorrow. Efficient! (Or of course they're worried about something the doctor wasn't.)

I was in the hospital today for preliminary blood tests and everyone still made to wear masks while waiting. Good. Some sense.
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merman wrote:750,000 extra people now “economically inactive” (unable to work full time) because of long COVID.
This is something the government and much of the country are in complete denial about, and will continue to be an issue - probably a growing one - as long as we continue with the attitude of it's all ok now, nothing to worry about if everyone gets Covid three or four times a year, it's just a cold now so no need to do anything about it at all any more.
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Very decent experience in hospital today (nothing worrying found) the only aspect of budget cuts I noticed was the cheese and biscuits the letter said you'd get after the procedure was downgraded to a cup of water :lol:
I can live with that
Dread to think what the damage would've been to my wallet in the US for a gastroscopy. Probably thousands?
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That would just be for the cup of water.
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George Monbiot has some good points:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... long-covid
One of the justifications for selfishness was that liberating the virus would build herd immunity. But we now have plenty of evidence suggesting that exposure does not strengthen our immune system, but may weaken it. The virus attacks and depletes immune cells, ensuring that for some people, immune dysfunction persists for months after infection.

We also know that, with every new exposure, we are more likely to suffer adverse effects. A massive study in the US found that the risk of brain, nerve, heart, lung, blood, kidney, insulin and muscular disorders accumulates with every reinfection. The impacts of long Covid, according to health metrics researchers, are “as severe as the long-term effects of traumatic brain injury”. Now that we know how the virus attacks our cells, “traumatic brain injury” looks less like an analogy than a description. The outcomes can be devastating, ranging from extreme fatigue and breathlessness to brain fog, psychotic disorders, memory loss, epilepsy and dementia.
I reported it shortly after lockdown was cancelled that the evidence was in: "herd immunity" was impossible.

Folks could be re-infected, and they could also transmit, even if asymptomatic themselves.

The whole concept of "herd immunity" is that the immune become a "block" on the virus spreading, as it can't re-infect the once infected and those people stand as a "block" to protect everyone else. But neither of those things are true, so "herd immunity" simply can't happen.

And I can't believe that the NHS experts advising the government - with all their data and experience of the virus spread - didn't 100% know this already (or, at bare minimum, very very strongly suspected from how the virus was spreading), when Boris called for "liberation day".

That was already obvious years ago. Studies since have actually shown that Covid weakens the immune system. My own bout with Long Covid tracks with this, that the virus just left me physically and mentally fucked for at least a good year or so. Yes, the neurological symptoms did feel like a brain injury, and I'm not sure I ever got my mental capacities back to where they were, but more I've just gotten used to this new level.

Yeah, it's hard to explain these internal feelings. As, like, I'm still as mentally capable as before to all external appearances, I feel. But, in the words of the Pink Floyd song: "You would not understand. This. Is. Not. How. I. Am.". I have, indeed, kind of become comfortably numb.

It's no longer novel, and we're all jabbed, so it's not the killer it once was. But it's still a pretty serious disabler. If it hadn't been preceded with lockdowns and so many deaths, we'd absolutely see this as the most major health crisis for centuries. But because it was once so much worse, there is the luxury to fob it off with: "ah, things are much better now".

As I said way back, when I caught it back in March 2020, we have no idea whether I've effectively lost 10 or 20 years off my life, or something. No clue as to the long-term implications. No scooby as to whether I might now be more vulnerable to cancer or a stroke when I'm a pensioner - it messed with the blood works for sure, so it might have left some hidden, as-yet-unknown, vulnerability behind it.

At the time, I was resigning to my fate as - like it or not - being the canary in the coalmine. If I start falling apart, then all you buggers know to stay well bloody clear of this. But, yeah, it's all much too late now. Hopefully, being jabbed then catching it mitigates it, unlike me who caught it then got jabbed, so I didn't have the immune "training" and just took the full brunt, with a bout of the Long Covids to follow.

Too fucking late now, though. But I always, from the off, condemned "herd immunity" because, even if we could have it, then it's not a fucking strategy to be pursued. And it all hinged on whether "herd immunity" was even possible - and I doubted that from the off, because there's really zero reason to presume that would be the case. Some diseases have that, many do not. Why presume the optimistic view for Covid, on the strength of fuck all evidence whatsoever?

Just because it was a way for those who wanted to just fob this off to pretend like they were being scientific. If Boris had just said "fuck the poor and ill" then we'd straight up know he was a cunt. But shroud it in "herd immunity" talk, with NHS people flanking you either side, and you can bullshit people that there's something more profound than "I can't be fucked" going on. There isn't, though. There, unfortunately, really wasn't anything there at all.
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We've learned nothing. Could at least have generated a culture of mask wearing when we're ill (okay pretty much no one wants to wear them ALL the time just in case they happen to be asymptomatic with something, me neither, but "when you're symptomatic with something" should be common sense now), washing our hands, better working rights such as full sick pay for all (sure, with sensible limits to prevent people taking the piss), maybe ventilating places better...

But no

Back to people not even covering their mouths when they cough or sneeze. Just straight into the air. Sometimes straight into your face. Back to everyone bringing their bugs into work and having the entire office coughing away. Back to studies showing bacteria associated with feces all over everything we touch

Thing is yeah people associated masks with covid and now it being "over" and so "yay no more masks ever" - but... well I just had that winter flu a couple of weeks ago. Knocked the shit out of me a lot worse than my Omicron infection TBH. No one figured "hey, maybe masks, basic hygiene and ventilation will stop us spreading THIS shit around too"?


As an aside, 'member when John Campbell was saying all that? Not any more. He's gone full antivax conspiracy theorist weirdo now. Total 180.
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The Houses of Parliament have just got a posh new air filtration system.
Schools have yet to receive all the promised cash for their air ventilation and filtration upgrades.
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merman wrote:The Houses of Parliament have just got a posh new air filtration system.
Schools have yet to receive all the promised cash for their air ventilation and filtration upgrades.
Yeah, that's in George Monbiot's full article.

The rich elites are ventilating and filtering like nobody's business - Parliament, Davos, etc. - as they know that, to quote the article, "One study found that mechanical ventilation systems in classrooms reduce the infection risk by 74%".

74%. Imagine if schools and public spaces were all so well ventilated, as they ought to be.

Also, it betrays the lie. I mean, if it's all about "herd immunity", then why are they going to such efforts and expense to dodge infection?

Nah, it's "herd immunity" for "the herd". But the prize cows opt for "zero covid" policy, when nobody's looking.
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Think I'm on my second go. Felt fatigued and runny nose, did a test. Extremely faint line that I'm not sure is just visibility of the detection line itself or something and most of it appeared after half an hour. Guess we'll see tomorrow. Very annoying, had loads of plans this week/weekend
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Yep. Much clearer line this morning, back on this old rodeo
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At least the vax seems to decrease effects.
Get well soon. :fluffy:
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Thought it was just a crazy conspiracy theory but the lab leak theory seems to be rapidly gaining traction...
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Reading about that just now
The report has not been made public, and officials in Washington stressed that a variety of U.S. agencies are not in agreement on the origin. On Tuesday, FBI Director Christopher Wray told Fox News that the FBI “has for quite some time now” assessed that the pandemic’s origins are “most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan.”

But others in the U.S. intelligence community disagree, and there’s no consensus. Many scientists believe the likeliest explanation is that the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 jumped from animals to humans, possibly at Wuhan’s Huanan market, a scenario backed up by multiple studies and reports. The World Health Organization has said that while an animal origin remains most likely, the possibility of a lab leak must be investigated further before it can be ruled out.

Taken from the (US) PBS Hews Hour

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/cov ... -323089174
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Campbell has gone full anti-mask now on his misinformation campaign, "bravely apologising" for previously being "wrong" based off, as always, a biased interpretation of one cherry picked study.

Disgusting how someone who gained so much trust early on has turned to putting lives at risk to make a few quid.

Worth viewing the "Back to the science" channel by Dr Susan Oliver for a good explainer of his grifting.
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