Trump

[Rhythm]

[KlaxonCow]

Unfortunately, Trump said it himself. He could just shoot someone in the face on Fifth Avenue and still absolutely nothing would happen to "Teflon" Trump:



Putin will never set foot in any jurisdiction that'll implement the will of the International Criminal Courts - just like every other war criminal before him has done - and, thus, never faces trial.

And Boris' sins are morally egregious, but not jail-worthy. At most, it's slapped wrists and a fine... which he'll probably get a "small loan" from one of his corrupt mates to pay it off anyway.

The law and justice doesn't work for these people as it does for everyone else, sadly.

[PFVA]

Not all countries recognises jurisdiction of the International Court agreement. For example, Russia, China, and the USA do not. India doesn't. Brazil and South Africa are the only 2 of the BRICS who do. Israel doesn't either, and I'm not sure about Turkey.

[PFVA]

Our extreme right is organising a meeting of international political leaders to happen in Lisbon. Among the invitees are Donald Trump and Jair Bolsonaro.

[Foozwah]

I have no faith in the US legal system to put Trump where he belongs, behind bars.

And I hate that I feel that way. And would love to be proved wrong. But probably won't.

[gilesgoat]

*SNIP*

The law and justice doesn't work for these people as it does for everyone else, sadly.

There was a comic strip of an Italian cartoonist ( Altan ) where there are two judges speaking to each other one says "The law is equal for everyone" .. and the other says " .. it's not out fault if everybody is NOT equal " ...

[PFVA]

Trump expected to surrender Tuesday – as it happened

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... rt-updates

This is getting interesting. Apparently Florida's governor stated they won't extradite him to New York.

[F-ZeroOne]

Considering Floridas governor just got out-lawyered by a literal Mickey Mouse outfit, I'd suggest anything he says legal process wise is not likely to survive reality.

[Little stoned kiwi]

Wouldn't that at least confine him to Florida though? He'd risk being arrested and extradited if he leaves the state.

[merman]

Tuesday is one charge.

Trump is facing up to twenty-four separate indictments across multiple cases, including further examination of charity fraud in New York State, the illegal holding of secret documents (that one could be staged in Florida due to the site raided), and further business malpractice accusations.

[KlaxonCow]

Even if they secure a conviction on any of this, that's not actually a disqualification from running for President under the Constitution.

The Constitutional qualifications are only that you're a "natural born citizen" - which is a shame that "President Arnie" is therefore impossible - and that you're at least 35 years of age and have resided in the US for at least 14 years.

There is one possible disqualification, though. The 14th Amendment bars anyone guilty of "insurrection" from holding any office. They added that one after the Civil War to keep former Confederacy folks out of Congress.

But this is all very debatable. As to whether what happened on January 6th would count as "insurrection" - according to the Supreme Court, whose opinion is the only one that matters? And whether you can ever pin that one, legally speaking, on Trump personally. I mean, technically, he was not physically involved in the invasion on the Capitol. At best, it'd be "conspiracy to cause an insurrection". Does that, by the Supreme Court, amount to the same thing?

Does Trump sneak his way around this, with what's essentially a variant of the Nuremberg Defence?

(That is, the soldiers who actually carried out the murders claiming "I was only following orders from my superiors" and then their superiors claim "well, technically, I never personally carried out those orders myself and I physically murdered no-one". It's been established, under International Law, that this doesn't work. They are jointly guilty of "conspiracy" together. Also, soldiers are legally obligated to the law, above orders given by their superiors, and should refuse unlawful orders. Thing is, though, America is actually not signed up to the International Criminal Court, so their domestic courts are not obligated to follow that International Law and can ignore it at their leisure.)

Nope, I'm afraid we're still reliant on the American public having the good sense not to vote the Orange Man back into office again.

I know, I know. Relying on Americans to have good sense. We're doomed.

[gilesgoat]

*SNIP*

I know, I know. Relying on Americans to have good sense. We're doomed.

I suppose "works like in UK" .. the Tories blame all the problems "on others" and they INSIST "they are the only ones that can sort them out and/or promise they will" in reality THEY are the CAUSE of MOST ( or even all ) problems and they CONTINUE TO CAUSE THEM but they manage to convince people "they are the solution" and that if they have not succeeded in fixing thing yet its because of others and you have to continue to support them.

And the sad part is "quite some people are convinced of that and keep voting for them" ? ..

I suspect it's something similar ...

[merman]

Tuesday is one charge.

Trump is facing up to twenty-four separate indictments across multiple cases, including further examination of charity fraud in New York State, the illegal holding of secret documents (that one could be staged in Florida due to the site raided), and further business malpractice accusations.

So Trump was hit with THIRTY-FOUR felony charges - not misdemeanours- in this case alone.
Now the floodgates open. It’s easier for the other state prosecutors to bring their warrants.

[tufty]

So Trump was hit with THIRTY-FOUR felony charges - not misdemeanours- in this case alone.

Yeah, but before anyone gets carried away, all of these are Class E felonies, pretty much "slap on the wrist" crimes, and even in the unlikely case that he's convicted on some of them and gets sentences, they will almost certainly be served concurrently and probably not involve a custodial term. I'm not even certain it would disqualify the fat orange cunt from standing as president again.

[PFVA]

...
I'm not even certain it would disqualify the fat orange cunt from standing as president again.

So far no. None of them disqualifies him fm running. All they can hope for is that it discourages people fm electing him President if he gets to be the Republican candidate.