Politics Thread!

[tufty]

Scottish Tory Douglas Murray joining in with the daft speeches. To paraphrase, “nationalism isn’t bad, just because they did it badly in Germany once”.

Murray is apparently not Scottish but homosexual. I know how easy it can be to get the two confused. I have also failed to ascertain if he is a member of any political party whatsoever.

Where is this strange land of Homosex? To the east of Essex, West of Wessex, or South of Sussex?

[Harlequin]

Scottish Tory Douglas Murray joining in with the daft speeches. To paraphrase, “nationalism isn’t bad, just because they did it badly in Germany once”.

Murray is apparently not Scottish but homosexual. I know how easy it can be to get the two confused. I have also failed to ascertain if he is a member of any political party whatsoever.

Where is this strange land of Homosex? To the east of Essex, West of Wessex, or South of Sussex?

Tsk! It is a sexual identity. Like being Scottish.

[Orava]

Conservatives having their NatCon NatzCon fun. Suella clearly positioning herself for a leadership führer position.

https://nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

[zip accident]

Is saving the supermarkets x millions while costing the consumer 10x millions Tory policy? seems likely. Is it Labour policy? Green policy? Lib-Dem policy?

I mean "sell-by" versus "best before" I don't much care about, but "best before" versus not a word is a very different thing, and that's what the supermarkets are trying on.

I had a couple of cases where I bought fruit with no date on it, and it went off before I had used all of it, whereas when the food had dates on it, I bought it with long dates and it usually lasted even if it was occasionally out of date by the time I got to the end of it.The lack of dates happened in Aldi and Morrisons at the same time, this is own brand goods, so it's definitively the shops doing this not their suppliers. I haven't been in other supermarkets to check, but I would be very surprised if this isn't also happening in most of the others. This is six packs of apples and five packs of oranges and 600gm packs of "easy peelers" and I suppect though I haven't checked that it's most other fruit too.

You really can't buy large quantities of food to last a long time if it is all going to go off a couple of days after you bought it, and that seems to me to be the direction that shopping is now being pushed in. This is going to affect the poor more than the rich, and smaller households more than large ones.

I have been ranting about this, but I am pretty sure that if this goes through as the supermarkets seem to want, it is going to be an extra expense for most of us and majorly inconvenient too. More profits for the supermarkets at the expense of the poor and the environment.

There are foods that I buy to eat on the day, and those will be fine, but there are other foods that I buy to eat between shopping trips, and if I can't do that any more, I'm going to have to go shopping more often, and I really don't want that expecially since small packages are much more expensive.

I admit my concerns are mostly about how this has and will hit me, however I am pretty sure in the longer run, if this continues to happen, it is going to cost and inconveniece most of you too, so this is a friendly warning of what may be heading our way.

[merman]

Conservatives having their NatCon NatzCon fun. Suella clearly positioning herself for a leadership führer position.

https://nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

Suella Braverman got caught speeding in a 50mph zone last year.

She asked the civil servants at the Home Office to organise a private session of the speed awareness course. They refused, and rightly so because it is a personal matter.

Suella then asked her political adviser to sort out the course for her on her own, to avoid public embarrassment. They also refused.

Suella took the three points on her license.
Which means all THREE ministers at the Home Office (the Home Secretary, Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick for speeding in a 30mph zone, and Security Minister Tom Tugenhadt for using a mobile phone while driving) have been convicted of driving offences - the punishments for which are set by the Home Office.

Why does it matter?
1. A breach of the Ministerial Code
2. The arrogance of Braverman thinking she is above the rules
3. The weakness of Sunak yet again in dealing with an ethical matter

[zip accident]

Conservatives having their NatCon NatzCon fun. Suella clearly positioning herself for a leadership führer position.

https://nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

Suella Braverman got caught speeding in a 50mph zone last year.

She asked the civil servants at the Home Office to organise a private session of the speed awareness course. They refused, and rightly so because it is a personal matter.

Suella then asked her political adviser to sort out the course for her on her own, to avoid public embarrassment. They also refused.

Suella took the three points on her license.
Which means all THREE ministers at the Home Office (the Home Secretary, Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick for speeding in a 30mph zone, and Security Minister Tom Tugenhadt for using a mobile phone while driving) have been convicted of driving offences - the punishments for which are set by the Home Office.

Why does it matter?
1. A breach of the Ministerial Code
2. The arrogance of Braverman thinking she is above the rules
3. The weakness of Sunak yet again in dealing with an ethical matter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Nabarro

[merman]

Conservatives having their NatCon NatzCon fun. Suella clearly positioning herself for a leadership führer position.

https://nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

Suella Braverman got caught speeding in a 50mph zone last year.

She asked the civil servants at the Home Office to organise a private session of the speed awareness course. They refused, and rightly so because it is a personal matter.

Suella then asked her political adviser to sort out the course for her on her own, to avoid public embarrassment. They also refused.

Suella took the three points on her license.
Which means all THREE ministers at the Home Office (the Home Secretary, Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick for speeding in a 30mph zone, and Security Minister Tom Tugenhadt for using a mobile phone while driving) have been convicted of driving offences - the punishments for which are set by the Home Office.

Why does it matter?
1. A breach of the Ministerial Code
2. The arrogance of Braverman thinking she is above the rules
3. The weakness of Sunak yet again in dealing with an ethical matter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Nabarro

There are more recent precedents, including a Lib Dem (lied that his wife was driving) and a Labour MP (convicted of driving offences, suspended from the Party and served a short custodial sentence).

Thing is, I agree with Angela Eagle - who said today that Braverman should be sacked for her incompetence and unsuitability for the post rather than a speeding offence.

Case in point - on six occasions last year, civil servants had to correct statements Braverman made to Cabinet.

[zip accident]

Conservatives having their NatCon NatzCon fun. Suella clearly positioning herself for a leadership führer position.

https://nationalconservatism.org/natcon-uk-2023/

Suella Braverman got caught speeding in a 50mph zone last year.

She asked the civil servants at the Home Office to organise a private session of the speed awareness course. They refused, and rightly so because it is a personal matter.

Suella then asked her political adviser to sort out the course for her on her own, to avoid public embarrassment. They also refused.

Suella took the three points on her license.
Which means all THREE ministers at the Home Office (the Home Secretary, Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick for speeding in a 30mph zone, and Security Minister Tom Tugenhadt for using a mobile phone while driving) have been convicted of driving offences - the punishments for which are set by the Home Office.

Why does it matter?
1. A breach of the Ministerial Code
2. The arrogance of Braverman thinking she is above the rules
3. The weakness of Sunak yet again in dealing with an ethical matter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Nabarro

There are more recent precedents, including a Lib Dem (lied that his wife was driving) and a Labour MP (convicted of driving offences, suspended from the Party and served a short custodial sentence).

Thing is, I agree with Angela Eagle - who said today that Braverman should be sacked for her incompetence and unsuitability for the post rather than a speeding offence.

Case in point - on six occasions last year, civil servants had to correct statements Braverman made to Cabinet.

But these days, who (except me, because he was weird) remembers Nabarro?

[Orava]

Well, who has not get a speeding ticket, I have twice, that Audi just goes too fast... used to do the 'touch tyre test' when arriving home from Exeter - if the front tyre is too hot to touch you have probably violated some speed limits.

[Orava]

On our European holidays I was that blur in your rear-view mirror at 130MPH - yes German motorways. This is what an Audi is built for.

[Orava]

Just superb stability at any speed you are doing 100 miles and it feels like 30. German engineering.

[gilesgoat]

Just superb stability at any speed you are doing 100 miles and it feels like 30. German engineering.

" .. German enginnering .. fantastic materials .. high stability .. supreme handling of the roa.. IIIIIIIIIIIIIII *CRASH* *BOOOM* ... .. "

.. "An accident happened on a road cause a German Audi car being driven at very high speed .. It would appear the driver was writing on a forum about his car stability while driving .. " ..

[Orava]

Strange that most German motorways have no speed limit they do not have any more accidents than, say, UK.

You kind have to learn a new way of driving, stick to the slow lane when not overtaking, a lot of the older Hitler motorways only have two lanes, watch your mirrors like a hawk, there is a 200km/h missile on your back.

[Rhythm]

Strange that most German motorways have no speed limit they do not have any more accidents than, say, UK.

Stats say that's untrue - 20% higher when measured per capita, 13% higher when measured per car.

I don't think I'll ever get my head around the "minimum acceptable deaths" thing re: cars. The nutcases who argue that "cars are safer these days, we should raise the limit". Basically arguing that "because we've got the death rate down from 100k per annum to 60k p/a we should all be entitled to drive faster to take it back up again".

Fuck that noise. It's already mental that our limit is as high as 70mph. Drop it to 55mph, hide speed cameras and remove the 10% allowance. Remind people that cars ain't there for fun, they're a tool and, like other tools, should be used safely.

Whilst we're at it, make sure that every red light has an enforcement camera on it. The number of times I almost get poleaxed because of twatty drivers pushing through red lights is just ridiculous.

I realise that my stance on cars would not be a vote-winner.

[Dio]

Yes, because motorways are not (by any means) the most dangerous part of the road network, and 70mph on most motorways in good conditions is not even remotely dangerous. And as almost everyone understands this, it makes the judgement of those that don't questionable.