Politics Thread!

[Harlequin]

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/feb/03/natwest-closed-my-account-with-no-explanation

Not just nasty ol' right wingers.

I did mention that my NatWest accounts were recently closed.

[snaff]

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/feb/03/natwest-closed-my-account-with-no-explanation

Not just nasty ol' right wingers.

I did mention that my NatWest accounts were recently closed.

It means your name is on ze list.

[F-ZeroOne]

An irony meter is exploding somewhere that Farages bank accounts have been closed because hes potentially on the same list used to close accounts used by immigrants...

[merman]

I had an argument with a jerk on Facebook, claiming that Farage’s accounts being closed “was because of the EU”.

He cited the Wolfsburg Convention... which was signed between banks under the UN’s anti-corruption task force.

“But we wouldn’t have signed up to it if we weren’t in the EU,” he spluttered.

Nope. Applies to us outside the EU as well, because the BANKS signed up to it, not the Government.

Since 2017, the UK’s definition of a Politically Exposed Person is the same as the UN Task Force’s - so again, nothing to do with the EU.

But apparently I’m as bad as Trump! because I refuse to believe him.

[skab]

But apparently I’m as bad as Trump! because I refuse to believe him.

But that's all wrong, Trump should be his hero, being the fascist lying bag of shit that he is! So was he actually complimenting you, by basically insulting you?

Now I'm confused.

[KlaxonCow]

An irony meter is exploding somewhere that Farages bank accounts have been closed because hes potentially on the same list used to close accounts used by immigrants...

As the poem reminds us:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

The point being that helping others is always, ultimately, helping yourself. If you don't help them when they need it, then you'll find they're not there to help you, when you need it.

Even if you're the most selfishly inhuman cunt on the entire planet, then it still behoves you to act. Out of "enlightened self-interest", if nothing else.

NEVER consider yourself the special exception to this. Because whatever you believe about yourself, that simply isn't how the fascists have ever operated.

It's not emphasised enough, but the Nazis actually started their mass-murder on the German people themselves. They started with old people, the disabled and so forth. But this "plan" was flawed - because when you asked soldiers to murder their own grandmothers or disabled son, they were not remotely happy to cooperate.

So they switched to the Jews, the gypsies, blacks, gays, socialists and so forth, leveraging people's already existent antisemitism - it was rife throughout all of Europe - and they're racism and they're homophobia and any hatred they could find that suited their plans. They preyed on those prejudices to get the genocide moving.

But it should be understood. If they'd won the war, they would have turned on their Japanese allies and sent them to the gas chambers too. It was a "marriage of convenience" alone.

Once the Jews were all gone, then it would have been the next most hated group. Then the next most hated group. Then the next most hated group.

That's the horrid logic of fascism. Because, also, where would they stop? When everything else has been "purged" and the worst thing around is people with red hair, they're next on the list.

When this fails to result in the promised Aryan Utopia - because, of course, this methodology is NEVER going to magically bring back your days of innocence, when you erroneously thought, being a child with less responsibility, that the world was somehow simpler and better (newsflash: it never was and you're just failing to see that your memories are from a child's perspective, and if you only ask people who espouse "Make America Great Again" when exactly they want to go back to, none of them will agree and all of them will tell you when their care-free childhood was, by the dates they give) - they'll murder the next least worst group.

The logic of fascism means that it will ultimately eat itself. And, in the end, the fascists will start murdering each other - because, I mean, Hitler wasn't tall and he didn't have blonde hair nor blue eyes. He was certainly not particularly "Aryan", was he? Heck, he wasn't even German.

When there are no more "undesirables" left, then it's you who starts looking very undesirable. Next on the list.

I mean, Farage has a German wife. His children with her are half-German, therefore.

[Orava]

Not sure I like the new Finnish government, the second largest party PS (true Finns) has already lost one minister over
Hitler comments and now the finance minister Purra seems to have to follow after using the n-word and telling if she would have a gun she would go to the Metro and shoot all the darkies. Pure Nazis. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... e-comments

[Orava]

Also the most popular party with young voters

[F-ZeroOne]

I'm not sure the Nazis would have turned on the Japanese, though more for practical than ideological reasons. I mean, they probably wouldn't have liked them, there just probably wouldn't have been much they could do about it for quite some time (excepting all the near-mythical Nazi super-weapons so beloved of the "Wehraboo"). Going too far into details would derail this thread into hardcore military history, but I think the simplest I can put it is that Hitler never really grasped global reach beyond continental Europe, whereas the Japanese at least understood the importance of it within their particular sphere of interest.

[Orava]

Not quite politics just how the US president visits places - the security.
On the Finnish visit whole parts of Helsinki shut down, thousands of police and army on the streets, drain covers welded shut and and effing Navy gunship with more anti-AA than you care for parked in front of the presidential palace. It is madness.

[KlaxonCow]

It is madness.

Madness? This is SPARTA!!

[Kelloggs]

*yeet*, apparently...

[PFVA]

And around here:

Algarve tourism is moaning again, summer reservations are very low. In Summer mos of the Algarve tourism is national and Spanish and apparently they can't afford the new inflated prices and aren't going there.

[Orava]

So the big game what are your odds on Alcaraz Vs Djokovic

[Orava]

So back to politics, where are you on the chart? I do not like labour or conservatives so I guess I am a libdem guy,