RIP Thread

[Dvorak]

Never had heard of Harris before (no loss, obviously), but now I see where my favs ASF song's intro comes from.

[Deckard]

The best weird funny , horrible comedy tv musical number ever on TV.

[WiteWulf]

Apparently, Kate Bush has revealed, that song was the inspiration for one of hers:



And it actually featured Rolf on the didgeridoo.

Following his conviction, Kate re-recorded the songs that featured Rolf. That's how you separate the art from the artist.

[gilesgoat]

Although a lot of talented artists were real a**holes, take Picasso for example. Adolf H was a semi-gifted painter, so in this current ban-atmosphere how do we separate art and the artist? Art might be good and interesting yet the person a complete twat.

I read the story, I know he tried to enter an art college but was refused, he was also quite fond of Whinny the Pooh .. makes you wonder "how story could have been totally different if he entered that art college ?" Maybe he just would have been a happy art student ?

[merman]

Although a lot of talented artists were real a**holes, take Picasso for example. Adolf H was a semi-gifted painter, so in this current ban-atmosphere how do we separate art and the artist? Art might be good and interesting yet the person a complete twat.

I read the story, I know he tried to enter an art college but was refused, he was also quite fond of Whinny the Pooh .. makes you wonder "how story could have been totally different if he entered that art college ?" Maybe he just would have been a happy art student ?

Adolf would have hit other issues in his life and found a scapegoat.
Can’t get a spot in an exhibition? Blame the rich patrons
Can’t sell a painting overseas? They have no taste
Can’t afford supplies? Someone’s jacking up the price.

It was the combination of economic failure and anti-Semitic feeling in 1920s Germany that gave rise to Hitler and the Nazis gaining power. He would have blamed the rich Jews however his life had gone.

[KlaxonCow]

He would have blamed the rich Jews however his life had gone.

I agree.

But, well, if he had only been an art student and never became German Chancellor, then it wouldn't have mattered, would it? If he'd not had any power to wield his internal racism externally, beyond occasionally ranting and raving about it.

Though there's really no point speculating on the "what ifs" of the butterfly effect, as the fundamental lesson of Chaos Theory is that even deterministic systems are intrinsically unpredictable, at anything less than an unachievable infinite precision.

In a sense, though, blaming Hitler personally would be a form of scapegoating itself.

As if it were only him who was anti-Semitic, when the truth is that it was a virus that plagued all of Europe - he couldn't have won support and election, if he wasn't feeding a wider racism that backed his rhetoric. As if it could've happened without a willing and able army of "just following orders" subordinates to carry it out.

As if there wasn't a very major influence from how the rest of the world humiliated and economically damaged Germany, after the First World War, in an act of petty revenge dressed as "punishment". As if sending barely-beyond-children to kill each other in trenches, with gas and machine guns, wouldn't warp their future mental health and view of the planet.


As I liked to point out surrounding the Iraq War, these things don't happen for singular reasons. It's when all the agendas and motivations align in a row - all pulling in the same direction - that catastrophe erupts.

If it had just been "a war for oil", then it probably wouldn't have happened. If it had just been the Department of Defense wanting strategic positioning in the Middle East to better control it, then it probably wouldn't have happened. If it had just been Bush wanting personal revenge on the man who'd attempted to assassinate his parents in the prior Gulf War, then it probably wouldn't have happened. If it had just been Blair's Americophile obsession alone, then it probably wouldn't have happened. If it had only been Murdoch's openly stated aim to encourage the war, as he saw an opportunity to profit from cheaper oil, then it probably wouldn't have happened. If it had only been that Saddam's move to the Euro, from the dollar, hadn't coincidentally netted him a small fortune, when the fates of the currencies switched, threatening the dominance of the petrodollar, if others decided to also hedge their bets beyond the dollar alone, then it probably wouldn't have happened. If there'd only been the bleeding hearts, who sympathised with the suffering of the Kurds, who were also happy to paint the same caricatures of Saddam for their own reasons, giving unlikely support from what would ordinarily have been the opposition, then it probably wouldn't have happened.

But when all those agendas and motivations neatly align in a row, and all start pulling in the same direction, it creates an irresistible current in the waters, dragging us all towards the march for war.

In a sense, that's the underlying point. No single reason has the strength, alone, to pull the whole world to war and catastrophe. But when whole handfuls of different reasons are all aligning and pulling in the same direction, they accumulate into an irresistible force - a tidal wave of agenda and motivation - that can only head in one direction.

I don't believe in planned conspiracies, but you can end up getting pretty much the same effect from just a global "alignment of motivations" all pulling in the same direction - as they implicitly become "a team" and cover the backs of each other's faults and flaws. They stop arguing and debating, and work together, towards some terribly ill-conceived "unintended consequences".

If you had a time machine and killed Hitler, then you'd change the fine details, for sure, but there's no guarantee you'd have changed the overall direction of a humiliated German people.

[TFO]

Sinead O’Connor

Christ she had a fucking hard rollercoaster
Saw her while I was at Uni on her first album Lion and Cobra tour. A tiny little thing dressed as a hooded Jedi throughout, who then belted out with the most incredible, powerful voice, full of passion, emotion and pain.
She was a year older than me almost to the day.

So very sad

[TFO]

Forget Nothing Compares 2 U…
This:

[tufty]

Holy shit, the poor woman. So talented.

[Deckard]

Yes to quote Larkin

"They fuck you up, your mum and dad. They may not mean to, but they do. They fill you with the faults they had. And add some extra, just for you"

- In her case her sadist mum.

Love her on the The The collab and also "This is the last day of our acquaintance "

[VNVObit]

Was stunned by the news, particularly how young she was. She had a beautiful voice. Surprised (pleasantly) when she turned up on the first Conjure One album



remember reading they were sending files across to each other (Conjure One is Rhys Fulber also a member of Frontline Assembly) via ISDN and didn't meet when recording. Still produced a lovely song despite the physical distance between them..

[KlaxonCow]

I'm a big Prince fan.

But, fair play, Sinead did the much better version, as you can hear here:



One of those rare moments where the cover version is just better than the original.

(As an article I read notes, Sinead deliberately sings the "...to you" discordantly and gratingly, that Prince never did. But it's the perfect delicate touch it needed. With Prince, you can hear the pain in the lyrics, but you can't feel it. Sinead allows you to actually feel what the words are crying.)

[Foozwah]

This song hooked me the first time I heard it, and all these years later it's still my favourite track of hers.

[Dvorak]

This song hooked me the first time I heard it, and all these years later it's still my favourite track of hers.

Well, never listened to this before. My fault, obviously.
That's fantastic.

[Foozwah]

This song hooked me the first time I heard it, and all these years later it's still my favourite track of hers. :flower

Well, never listened to this before. My fault, obviously.
That's fantastic.

Ah, glad you liked. It was so different to everything else on that album, but was the track that really made me sit up and take notice.