Politics Thread!

[gilesgoat]

I saw this one on the news yesterday.
They created a new government program to help pay for housing in the cities like Lisbon and Porto where the prices are completely out of control. This guy being interviewed is a nurse. He makes € 1300.00/month. Housing costs over €1000.00. With inflation the 300.00 left aren't exactly enough. He applied for the so-called help. He was approved. They issued payments of €1.58/month. Not an error, exactly one Euro and fifty-eight cents. With that he can buy 6 breads, or 2 espressos.

He says he is now applying for jobs in Europe. We have a serious shortage of nurses because for the past 10 years they have all been going overseas to countries like France, Luxembourg, Spain, UK, etc.

Not any more UK, you need a visa/permit it's hard to obtain .. Interesting that "Italy" is not mentioned here .. unsurprisingly, he'd end up in running away from there too

6 breads and 2 espressos with 1.58 !!!!!!!! .. YOU ARE MEGA CHEAP !! Stay in Portugal! Don' t move elsewhere then !!!

[tufty]

6 breads and 2 espressos with 1.58 !!!!!!!! .. YOU ARE MEGA CHEAP !! Stay in Portugal! Don' t move elsewhere then !!!

Hell yeah. You wouldn't even get a lone espresso here for that.

[gilesgoat]

6 breads and 2 espressos with 1.58 !!!!!!!! .. YOU ARE MEGA CHEAP !! Stay in Portugal! Don' t move elsewhere then !!!

Hell yeah. You wouldn't even get a lone espresso here for that.

In Italy ONE espresso in SOME places yes .. but the 6 breads I don't think so .. maybe ONE or two.

[tufty]

over here it's between 60 centimes and about 1,20 for a 50g "petit pain". Coffees are about 1,40 in a bar, but around here in touristland you're closer to 2,50.

[PFVA]

Regular bread, fresh one made daily is 30c. There is a little cheaper one popular known as 'air bread' which is a fair description of it but I don't know the price . ´Petit pain' is 20 cents, we call them 'bolinhas', small balls. those are lovely.

[PFVA]

2.25 € !
2.25 € ! ! !
2.25 € !!!

I had to do something down the street and I made a quick stop at the pastelaria. One espresso, a 33cl bottle of water, and a miniature pastry 2.25€. Not long ago, less than 2 years ago one would give a 2.00 € coin and would receive change. Now it's not even enough.

[Deckard]

Would be at least 10 euros here in Falmouth UK

[PFVA]

Yeah, I know but the wages here are lower too. The minimum wage is 700 €. Renting a bedroom in a house is 500€/month. There isn't much left.

However those who are renting out places are making some money.

[gilesgoat]

Yeah, I know but the wages here are lower too. The minimum wage is 700 €. Renting a bedroom in a house is 500€/month. There isn't much left.

However those who are renting out places are making some money.

Don't think that in other countries "the wages are propritionately higher" .. actually the wages are usually MUCH LOWER than what they SHOULD be to be proprtional.

In Italy you'll get 1000 .. but the rent could well be 700/800 assuming you are not in a big city, then you may get 1400 .. but the rent would be 1200/1500 .. so it's weird.

[PFVA]

One of our leading bullfighters trial for animal abuse starts today. No, not for abusing the bulls, because it's still legal even if slowly going to extinction for lack of public.
He is being trialed for serious neglect and abuse of his 18 hunting dogs. The poor animals were kept starving, kennels were not cleaned, they didn't have vaccinations or other prevention treatments, etc, etc. It was so bad and some of the National Guards that went there were so shocked that filmed it and placed on social media.

And being who he is his initial answer to the public uproar was that people know nothing about these things that's how hunting dogs should be kept. I still think that he should be condemned to spend some time locked in a dirty kennel with very little food.

[Dio]

"Man who hurts animals for a living hurts other animals too?"

[PFVA]

3200.00 € / month for a 14 square meter space in Lisbon, that is a studio with a kitchenette. No parking space.
3 thousand 200 hundred euros a month.
Are people going nuts?

Who the hell pays that much for that?

[tufty]

Oi, this bloke knows me!

https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx5IrbSK ... 2X_cCVirJD

[gilesgoat]

3200.00 € / month for a 14 square meter space in Lisbon, that is a studio with a kitchenette. No parking space.
3 thousand 200 hundred euros a month.
Are people going nuts?

Who the hell pays that much for that?

Reminds me of "famous stories" ( that I think are more valid than ever ) of people in Italy "Going to work in Milan" ( becuase it makes looking good on you CV - in the SUPER FALSE HOPE they'll get a better job after ) ending up in places where they maybe give you 3500 eur per month, then you have to pay 3200 for the apartment, find out that 300 per month "don't make you live in Milan", maybe sleeping under the desk of that "Studio" because there's no bed ( or someway cramming a sleeping bag into ) and/or end up in consuming some savings ( so ending up in PAYING TO WORK ) considering it "an investement for their carrerr".

They end up at 30 something with no more savings, totally burned out, worked like slaves and that famous "better job after" does NOT exist ... they end up somewhere else maybe working at 1500 eur per month ...

The famous "I go to work in Milan ( for some famous company ) ".

Now I know someone that MAY make 6000 per month .. "just signing papers" ... like the electrician that ( too many years ago ) "done" my electric wiring.

That was over 20 years ago .. it works like this "you need to do/re-do electric wiring in the house" .. you could do it by yourself if you really know how to do it ( fundamentally replace old wires ) BUT "you are NOT a QUALIFIED electrician therefore you can NOT CERTIFY ( and assume responsibility ) what you done" ( so you'd be totally ILLEGAL and this could make you get fines and/or make any insurance you have VOID ).

So "you need a CERTIFIED electrician" .. which normally goes "OK I can do ALL THE JOB MY OWN .. it will costs you materials + time 5000" .. OR .. "I can TELL YOU WHAT TO DO and you get the materials from ME BUT you install them yourself AS I TELL YOU DO TO" ( i.e. saves on the time of the material labor ) then he checks, and if it's all OK signs the papers .. for 3000 .. you save 2000 .. everyone's happy ..

He probably can afford that apartment in Lisbon if he'd like to but I am SURE he has better

He was the one telling me "weird stories" as he did NOT marry but registered his "wife" as "partner" and also as "employee" of his own company ( secretary I suppose ) and he was explaining me how this was "incredibly convenient" from a tax point of view.

And I have to say "I know someone that done stuff along those lines" and it's true, in Italy there are "lot more convenient situations" that begin normally married !

[gilesgoat]

One of our leading bullfighters trial for animal abuse starts today. No, not for abusing the bulls, because it's still legal even if slowly going to extinction for lack of public.
He is being trialed for serious neglect and abuse of his 18 hunting dogs. The poor animals were kept starving, kennels were not cleaned, they didn't have vaccinations or other prevention treatments, etc, etc. It was so bad and some of the National Guards that went there were so shocked that filmed it and placed on social media.

And being who he is his initial answer to the public uproar was that people know nothing about these things that's how hunting dogs should be kept. I still think that he should be condemned to spend some time locked in a dirty kennel with very little food.

I think bullfighting in particular is really ( with all respect for the bull ) "bullshit of prime level", even if the bull would be "untouched" ( and it isn't it's all set up ) what the crap is to set up a bullfight ?

There's absolutely NOTHING "honorable" or "manly" or "bravery" or "respectable" .. in bullfight .. "you want all that ?" "Join the army become something useful, join some medical team, go to help people in distress, save lifes ".

Or if you really want to feel "so manly fight" .. well then become an MMA fighter and go in the cage and show me what you are made of, that's a 1:1 fair game with both willing partecipants.

But I'd bet any toreador in his fancy dress would piss himself in his pants the moment he'd with without his sword having to fight with "Jack stonefists 'The Hammer' 45 knockouts in a row "

Now that "manliness"