Trump

[phattslagg]

He won't go to jail, not even a white collar one.

Yeah, I can’t see it, either. In all honesty, I’m fully expecting them to re-elect him. Biden’s stance on the Gaza conflict will have wiped out a lot of younger voters, and the crazy loophole that would allow Trump to run even as a convicted felon (despite him being prohibited from voting) will likely be enough to see him over the line.

[Little stoned kiwi]

Has anyone else been paying attention to what he's been saying at rallies and in interviews? I still think he's a narcissistic idiot, but he's someone's useful idiot. Someone's dangerous useful idiot.

[Little stoned kiwi]

https://collecttrumpcards.com/

Oh FFS...

[Mayhem]

That grifting angle with the card set has been around for ages...

[F-ZeroOne]

In related news, Giuliani has been ordered to pay tens of millions in damages to two state election officials he made false accusations about. Its doubtful they'll ever see anything like the full amount as by all accounts hes basically living out of Trumps pocket but...

[skab]

He's already declared bankruptcy...

[Rubisco]

He won't go to jail, not even a white collar one.

Yeah, I can’t see it, either. In all honesty, I’m fully expecting them to re-elect him. Biden’s stance on the Gaza conflict will have wiped out a lot of younger voters, and the crazy loophole that would allow Trump to run even as a convicted felon (despite him being prohibited from voting) will likely be enough to see him over the line.

Does it count as a loophole? Presidential eligibility is in the constitution. Voting rights are up to the state. Maine and Vermont allow prisoners to vote.

[KlaxonCow]

Trump's claiming that, as he was technically the President of the United States before and during the Capitol riots, he's immune from prosecution.

Which is ridiculous when the charge against you is treasonous insurrection, to organise a coup to illegally remain President.

But the law is an ass, and there probably is some loophole that he technically had "diplomatic immunity" at the time.

Teflon Trump. Nothing ever sticks.



This is probably going to be like Al Capone. That they eventually get him on a parking ticket or filing his taxes too late or something.

[PFVA]

No, not like Al Capone.
In the end he will be diagnosed with Alzheimers and say he doesn't remember a thing. It's very popular in his age bracket.

And 50% of Americans and lots more thru out the world will think of him as a martyr.

[Little stoned kiwi]

I doubt his narcissism would allow that to be an option.

[tufty]

Nah, that one won't fly.

The judge has already ruled that this is not how it works. He's appealed that ruling, but rather than allow him to delay with endless appeals, the prosecutor has moved to have the supreme court make a ruling on this, as a matter of law, before the case is decided.

He has 2 arguments.

The first is that a president is immune from prosecution for any acts committed whilst president. That's clearly utter nonsense, and the wording of the constitution does not back it up no mater how you squint. The supreme court may be stacked in Trumps favour, but even they wouldn't allow this one to stand - if nothing else, it would mean Joe Biden, the current president, could do anything he wanted, including simply throwing trump in Jail forever, having him executed, as well as throwing the entire supreme court out and unilaterally assigning new judges, or even doing away with the supreme court entirely.

The second is that if you squint just right, a president can only be held accountable for acts for which he was impeached *and* convicted in the senate. Again, this does not follow from the plain text of the constitution, and it does not square with existing case law either. And again, this would be a ruling for despotism, Biden could arrest all republican members of both houses (or simply the maga contingent, making it impossible to impeach him) , and then he would be able to do what he wants as long as he can keep the other politicians sweet.

Both of these arguments are bollocks, and even the Trump-favourable supreme court will hot uphold them. They have 2 purposes - the first is to give something for his base to hold onto , to believe it's all unjust, etc etc, and the other is to delay the case long enough that he might be able to get elected nd then self-pardon or shut down the case entirely.

[tufty]

Obviously posted that before discovering the supreme court have decided not to take the case now, but let the appeals court deal with it first. This helps Trump in terms of delay

[Harlequin]

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… if nothing else, it would mean Joe Biden, the current president, could do anything he wanted, including simply throwing trump in Jail forever, having him executed, as well as throwing the entire supreme court out and unilaterally assigning new judges, or even doing away with the supreme court entirely.

I think it unlikely that such orders would be carried out. The argument does, however, seem to suggest that he could kill Trump himself, or personally hire an assassin, with impunity.

[Little stoned kiwi]

That's why the next Trump term is likely to slip into fascism. There is a focus on clearing the decks and putting in an administration that will follow his orders.

[PFVA]

and Trump wins the nomination in Iowa by a landslide.