Trump

[ThetaReactor]

concerning the insurrectionist attacks on January 6th, 2021.

Was that the time when protestors peacefully entered the Capitol building after the police let them in and mostly stayed within the velvet visitor ropes?

Nope.

[snaff]

And, oh, the Hunter Biden thing... continues. Leaving aside the fact that the Republicans star witness is now in jail, I've been reading some of the transcripts and... look, I have only a very passing knowledge of what Hunter Bidens lifestyle may have been like in the past, and most of what I know about whats trying to be pinned on him or his father is from the "BIDENCRIMECONSPIRACYWAH!" side but the thing that struck me about his testimony is - aside from him having a bit of a talent for zinging replies - is how grown up his responses seem, compared to whats being flung at him. An actual adult in the room!

He's a very accomplished man - a Ukrainian oil company executive no less.

[snaff]

concerning the insurrectionist attacks on January 6th, 2021.

Was that the time when protestors peacefully entered the Capitol building after the police let them in and mostly stayed within the velvet visitor ropes?

Nope.

The videos I saw looked mostly peaceful.

[tufty]

So, the Washington DC primary looks to be going well.

[PFVA]

Maybe they know better.
They are so close to the centre of politics.

[tufty]

Regardless of what the Trump camp might be claiming about it being "the swamp", the people actually involved in politics don't live, or vote, in DC.

And if it was "the swamp, surely that just means Trump's promises to drain the swamp were another abject failure...

[KlaxonCow]

concerning the insurrectionist attacks on January 6th, 2021.

Was that the time when protestors peacefully entered the Capitol building after the police let them in and mostly stayed within the velvet visitor ropes?

Yeah, but that was Antifa, the FBI, Black Lives Matter, ISIS, MS13 as "paid actors" wearing MAGA hats, to just make the white supremacists look bad:



Get your paranoid delusional cognitive dissonance right, man. Trump supporters didn't do nothing. Weren't even there.

Ah, it was their proudest day - this guy's favourite rally - when their enemies totally pinned the blame on them and succeeded to steal the election. Best day ever. Somehow.

[F-ZeroOne]

Be afraid:

https://www.salon.com/2024/03/04/truly- ... tastrophe/

[SuperMappy]

I promise you I am not trying to troll and I have no love for Trump or any politician for that matter, but if the Supreme Court does not say that presidents are immune it will only open the flood gates for the opposing parties of past and the current president to simply harass said president till their death.

[Harlequin]

I promise you I am not trying to troll and I have no love for Trump or any politician for that matter, but if the Supreme Court does not say that presidents are immune it will only open the flood gates for the opposing parties of past and the current president to simply harass said president till their death.

Because that has happened so many times over the past 250 years?

[SuperMappy]

Because that has happened so many times over the past 250 years?

Well yes, but now it can only get worse.

As far as I can remember politics used to be a cooperative 50/50 game, so to speak, you let our party do these things and we'll let your party do these things with very little or no interference. Now it seems like a "All my way or else" kind of game.

[tufty]

Nah.

Remember, Trump is being sued for actual crimes, regardless of his claims it's all a "witch hunt". If presidents are allowed to be criminal, in order to stop hypothetical campaigns of political harassment, presidents will be criminal. Presidents won't actually need to leave ofice untill they are dragged out by a mob and strung up from the nearest lamppost.

Trump's attempted coup on the 6th failed because his advisors were incompetent and there were still people in the machinery of government who believe in democracy. A president starting his or her tenure with the idea that, whatever they do, they can get away with it and be in office for life, can spend four years weeding out anything likely to stop them from becoming a king or queen, and plan for a more subtle and far more successfull coup.

[Orava]

concerning the insurrectionist attacks on January 6th, 2021.

Was that the time when protestors peacefully entered the Capitol building after the police let them in and mostly stayed within the velvet visitor ropes?

Nope.

The videos I saw looked mostly peaceful.

[KlaxonCow]

Trump's attempted coup on the 6th failed because his advisors were incompetent and there were still people in the machinery of government who believe in democracy. A president starting his or her tenure with the idea that, whatever they do, they can get away with it and be in office for life, can spend four years weeding out anything likely to stop them from becoming a king or queen, and plan for a more subtle and far more successfull coup.

Yeah, basically, the last time was a "trial run".

Now he knows exactly what the response will be and can execute the "President for Life" plan better next time.

He tested the defences and now knows exactly where all the chinks in the armour are to be found.

I mean, it works both ways. You say that they can't disqualify Trump or it'll be used as a weapon of political harassment.

But Trump attempted a coup on January 6th and he has received NO PUNISHMENT WHATSOEVER for doing so. What on Earth would be his motivation not to try it again? Why not? Might as well give it a go. It's not as if anything happens to him when he fails to usurp democracy.

Might as well give it a go. Might actually succeed this time. And, if it doesn't, then nothing fucking happens. Teflon Trump just walks away from it all unscathed yet again.

Honestly, Trump's logic is perfectly sound here. If no-one's actually going to stop you from making yourself "King of America", then just keep trying until you succeed.

[Kelloggs]

Two thoughts strike me here:

a) He's on the hook for a number of charges that aren't related to Jan 6th. Him being found guilty on any one of them really ought to land him in jail, just as it would any other Fine Upstanding Patriotic American. Not being punished for the coup may not be what does him in. Relatedly:

b) He's old (this being the US, that's not a dealbreaker, given that the average age of a US congresscritter appears to be approximately dead) so any single jail term is likely to be the last significant thing he does. Multiple jail terms (whether consecutive or concurrent at his age) are likely to just be the layers of icing on the cake holding up the cherry on top.

I don't think this is the story of How The Orange One Regained The White House. I think it's more This Is How The USA Unravels (and then the rest of the world realises it was actually doing something useful).