Politics Thread!

[gilesgoat]

Capitalists want the masses to return to the office - because the value of their commercial property has dropped. Empty office space = less money for landlords/property owners.
It's got nothing to do with productivity, team cohesion, or office culture. It certainly has nothing to do with worker's rights or the chance of making work more flexible to help people. Work-life balance doesn't matter, the balance sheet does.

It's vastly more complicated than this, and I say that as a 100% home worker my entire life. It's absolutely no problem at all for introverted senior engineers, but not all people fit into that category.

One very critical and obvious point is that inexperienced people, even the very brightest, often really struggle working from home unless they're able to be given very isolated and relatively simple projects. They achieve less, they advance their careers more slowly and they are, from what I can see, less happy, even the ones who are natural loners and even the ones who are social media friendly; it is such an advantage for them to be able to go talk to someone experienced face to face when they hit a roadblock.

I'd advise anyone under 30 to prefer being office based if they're on a significant team. I'd expect them to go much further in the longer run.

I guess depends A LOT on the type of work/project you are involved with and yes I do agree ( having done 'job office' for about 8 years ) that what you say here is absolutely true.

"To be able to REALLY work WELL from HOME you NEED a PROPER SETUP" it's really hard to have a place where you can be 100% focused on what you doing without interruptions/etc. it is true that "you can write SW anywhere" in the sense that "all you need is an editor and your PC" but more often than not the ability to be "with other colleagues in the same place" where "you can just go to a room and ask someone something" ( and/or every now and then crack some joke ) is another story.

All projects I've been working with yes "you work on your own bit" but "exchange of info" between people was "fundamental".

Said that "if you give me a very specific job that I can 100% do my own" THEN "I can lock myself in a room DO-NOT-TOUCH-ME-MODE" and do it.

But yes I agree that "working from home", for some jobs at least "is actually more complex than it sounds" it needs "a method" "experience" and also "really be used to work in isolation" and/or also "organization of communication".

As usual "your mileage may vary" but I CAN see why not "all of people" are so happy/interested in this "work from home" or why there can be some skepticism.

Overall "results talk", so if you can get "results" the same it's all good.

[Orava]

It is quite confusing what your identity is. My grandfather was a member of the IKL the Finnish fascist party. I am both a European Liberal and natiolist Finnish.

[PFVA]

Arrests at universities in the USA at Texas, Utah, and Virginia universities, some others suspended at Columbia (in Manhattan). Protests widespread thru out the country.

All because of demonstrations in favour of stopping the war in the Gaza Strip and the massacre of innocent Palestinians.

[Orava]

Yes America WTF is happening

[merman]

Let's put the local election & mayoral results into context here.

- the worst General Election performance by a Government in 40 years
- Conservatives lost over 500 councillors and control in 5 councils
- all bar one Mayor elected was Labour, and the outlier was Ben Houchen on Teeside who campaigned on a personal level and barely mentioned being Conservative
- major gains for the Greens
- major gains for the Lib Dems, pushing the Tories into third place
- just TWO seats for Reform, yet they get hours of TV coverage & interviews as if they were a major force

Superb to see Sadiq Khan actually increase his share of the vote AND winning margin after the negative, hate-filled campaign of lies by Susan Hall. Of course, that hasn't stopped the death threats and racist abuse.

There are also a lot of comparisons between Sunak in 2024 and Major in 1996 - they both called the results "disappointing" and started waffling about how the economic revival is "just around the corner". And of course, both will try to bribe the voters with tax cuts. But Sunak is sunk, no doubt about it.

[Oaf]

Sunak is sunk. Question is how long he's going to keep the rest of us drowning before he does the right thing and calls an election.

Mind, Labour isn't really Labour any more, is it? When their leader thinks Thatcher was 'alright really', they're nothing more than red tories. I'd love it, come Labour winning the GE, Starmer 'unzips' himself revealing he was Jeremy Corbyn all along

Heartening to see the Greens doing well. Maybe in 10 years, when the world's burning, they might get in.

[merman]

Sunak is sunk. Question is how long he's going to keep the rest of us drowning before he does the right thing and calls an election.

Mind, Labour isn't really Labour any more, is it? When their leader thinks Thatcher was 'alright really', they're nothing more than red tories. I'd love it, come Labour winning the GE, Starmer 'unzips' himself revealing he was Jeremy Corbyn all along

Heartening to see the Greens doing well. Maybe in 10 years, when the world's burning, they might get in.

No-one from Labour said, "Thatcher is alright really".
It was a misquote of Shadow Chancellor Rachel Reeves who said Labour would be "as radical as Thatcher" in their approach to reviving the economy. In other words, moving quickly to make changes.

And the Tories are no longer the party of financial responsibility.
Quadrupled the national debt.
Billions wasted on fraudulent furlough loans and useless PPE (which they are NOT trying to recover, and the PPE is still costing money to store/dispose of).
Even Sunak as Chancellor was a mess, missing an opportunity to refinance the Government debt costing the taxpayer over £11 BILLION.

And they still RAISED taxes.
This current line of "everyone's £900 better off" is simply not true.
You have to be earning over £26,000 a year to be better off by that much.
You have to earn more than the Minimum National Wage to be £300 better off from their so-called tax cuts.

And millions more - including pensioners - are now paying tax because they froze the thresholds.

[Harlequin]

No-one from Labour said, "Thatcher is alright really".
It was a misquote of Shadow Chancellor Rachel Reeves who said Labour would be "as radical as Thatcher" in their approach to reviving the economy. In other words, moving quickly to make changes.

I suspect Oaf was referring to this, in reference to what Starmer wrote for the Sunday Telegraph.

[Orava]

Nothing wrong with Thatcher then?

[KlaxonCow]

Nothing wrong with Thatcher then?

Well, I mean, she's dead.

And she was cremated too, so she's nothing but ashes.

But, you know, besides that, I'm sure she's doing just peachy...

[(o)(o)]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-22073434

Starmer and people like Reevers and Streeting seeming to be doing everything possible to put a clean Labour victory at risk.. its an open goal you cunts WTF are you doing

[PFVA]

And a bit later than elsewhere we have our first university occupied by students in protest against what is going on in Palestine, the Sciences School of the University of Oporto.

We have had lots of demonstrations in favour of Palestine but this is the first occupation of the school.

It coincides with the decision of the TPI today to issue mandates of capture against the Israel and Hamas leaders.

[Mat]

What the fuck is going on with Labour at the moment?

A couple of weeks ago, I would have said that them winning the election was all but certain.
So has some dumb-fuck taken up the challenge to see how badly they can lose it?

In the course of 3 days, three socialist MPs, two of them women of colour, have been barred from standing in the constituencies that voted for them, all for trivial, small-minded reasons.
Everyone is saying that this is really fucking stupid behaviour, even those on the right of the party.

And they can't even blame the Tories! It's all them!

I'm not sure I've ever seen more suicidal behaviour from the Labour party before.

Just goes to show that no matter who you vote for, thanks to almost 30 years of career politicians with no experience of public life, it's incompetent morons all the way down.

[zip accident]

What the fuck is going on with Labour at the moment?

A couple of weeks ago, I would have said that them winning the election was all but certain.
So has some dumb-fuck taken up the challenge to see how badly they can lose it?

In the course of 3 days, three socialist MPs, two of them women of colour, have been barred from standing in the constituencies that voted for them, all for trivial, small-minded reasons.
Everyone is saying that this is really fucking stupid behaviour, even those on the right of the party.

And they can't even blame the Tories! It's all them!

I'm not sure I've ever seen more suicidal behaviour from the Labour party before.

Just goes to show that no matter who you vote for, thanks to almost 30 years of career politicians with no experience of public life, it's incompetent morons all the way down.

There'll be another Falklands War or something like it, anything to keep the tories in.

[Harlequin]

What the fuck is going on with Labour at the moment?
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In the course of 3 days, three socialist MPs, two of them women of colour, have been barred from standing in the constituencies that voted for them, all for trivial, small-minded reasons.

Along with Sam Tarry being deselected a couple of years ago, have they now reached the same number as Conservative Party defectors Labour has welcomed to its bosom (similarly three this year and one in 2022).