Politics Thread!

[RiK]

May we have a new poll please?

Done :-)

[RiK]

May we have a new poll please?

Done :-)

[Mat]

Yay! Thanks Rik!

[Harlequin]

Courtesy of my national TV news this morning I'm seeing Boris Johnson appearance in support of the conservatives.

But not, you may notice, in support of Richi.

[zip accident]

Thanks Rik.

[PFVA]

Courtesy of my national TV news this morning I'm seeing Boris Johnson appearance in support of the conservatives.

But not, you may notice, in support of Richi.

He probably wants to come back like Trump.
I'm having this nightmare that in 3-4 years we'll have Trump in the U.S., Boris in the UK, Marine and Bardella in France, Gloria Melloni and Salvino in Italy, Putin in Russia and a few more spread out thru the world.

[zip accident]

Voted.

[zip accident]

It's a huge Labour win in seats, but their vote rose by less than 2%

It's a terrible night for the Tories, their vote dropped by someting like 20% they'll still get more seats than the LibDems.

It's a good night for the LibDems, but their vote is almost static, they're massacring the Tories by maintaining their own vote while the Tories' drops away.

Reform's vote is up but not by as much as the Tories are down. They will get a few seats, but not anything like enough to compensate for Tory losses, many of which were caused by Reform splitting the right wing vote.

The SNPs vote is barely down, but they are getting hammered worse than the Tories, which is saying something.

The Greens have one seat so far, and might get a second if we're lucky.

This is not a good night for the first past the post system, unless you think random garbage is good, which is tempting when it hits the Tories this hard.

[Deckard]

I hope Labour with this huge majority go for some big changes as currently Transport, Housing , NHS and education are fucked and make the big tech companies pay some kind of tax in the UK.

[KlaxonCow]

I hope Labour with this huge majority go for some big changes as currently Transport, Housing , NHS and education are fucked and make the big tech companies pay some kind of tax in the UK.

I hope, now that he need not be shit scared of throwing the election by annoying Rupert Murdoch, he'll U-turn on the U-turn over investing in the green economy.

He never did drop "Great British Energy" - it was just watered down - so hopefully that indicates that, like, he still wants to do all that and will put his commitment back into that plan - the only real plan that any party put forward, honestly, which is why it was so disappointing that he got all antsy about having balls and went all soft to cave to court the right-wing press - and that it really does, as I believe it will, become a Keynesian "New Deal" type of thing that actually finally stops the rot and grows the economy.

Because, yeah, "it's the economy, stupid".

And, sure, while any infrastructure investment requires a lot of "up-front" money to get moving, it will all more than pay for itself in the long haul. There is a gold mine there, waiting to be unlocked.

And, in addition to the economic, there's the opportunities - when the energy itself costs nothing, then there are applications there that you couldn't have previously considered for their cost (e.g. desalination of sea water requires energy, so while you have to buy fossil fuels to make that energy, it's not economically viable as a plan and that's why we've never done it en masse. But if free sunshine and wind is powering the process, then it potentially can make abundant sense, mitigating or eliminating water shortages around the planet. Not least because, conveniently, the thing causing them - sunshine - is then the thing also fixing the problem, so it's naturally proportional to the extent of the problem).

We'll also need to see how well "Great British Energy" is actually run. I mean, we have historical example of governments being absolutely bloody awful and that's why nationalisation has never been my natural instinct (though privatisation is also a piece of shit too, it should be noted).

But in concept and principle, having "the public option" in there. An energy company that's not for profit, but just for making shit better, that the private companies have to compete with, to give them a "short, sharp shock" to get their own houses in order.

In light of the cost of living crisis, the big one is that renewables are economically stable. They're not affected by pandemics or wars, so green energy bills will not be subject to the wild swings that fossil-fuel-based bills are.

Starmer has a proper Keynesian plan there and then he wobbled. I was tempted not to vote Labour because of this alone, but - realpolitik - even a half-arsed version of the plan is still ten times better than nothing at all. And my hope is that, as it succeeds, then he can put his cowardice away and get back to the original plan.

Because it was an actual plan, unlike anything proposed by anyone else, and if done right - so the wobbling is not great in one's confidence that it will be done right - then it will work.

[Dio]

May we have a new poll please?

Done :-)

Nice to see snaff's even trolling the poll .

[PFVA]

I was half asleep but I seem to have noticed last night that Wales didn't elect a single conservative MP.

[Mat]

I think my favourite news is that the evil cunt Jacob Rees-Mogg has lost his seat.
I mean, I know that it won't affect his personal fortune, so it's somewhat hollow, but still.
Fuck him.
Fuck him with a rusty poker.

[zip accident]

This election has been the worst so far for displaying the evils of first past the post voting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c886pl6ldy9o

If anyone is going to get stitched up, the Tories and Reform are certainly enjoyable candidates, but next time the boot may well be on another foot.

[Orava]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/r2K67n0t ... ture=share

Erm. National anthems shared, A bit bit erm, controversial.