Llamasoft: The Jeff Minter Story

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corrosive wrote:Is there any sort of online high score for any of this? I'm guessing not (and don't mind if not) it just influences which platform I buy on :)
I'm not aware of any [steam]. In general I'm seeing the emulations as "playable museum exhibits".
It would've been nice but not really expected by me, nor any deal breaker.
Yeah, I wasn't really expecting there to be, but thought it was worth checking as it would influence which platform I decided to get it on -- it won't influence how much I enjoy it though :)
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A high score system would be amazing and certainly help with sales, amazed it's not in there ... Worth considering chaps, it would be a huge addition.
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Markie wrote:A high score system would be amazing and certainly help with sales, amazed it's not in there ... Worth considering chaps, it would be a huge addition.
If it did have such a system I'd be on it every day and willing others to do the same, as it stands, prob wont load it again for ... well, who knows because I play all the games on Emulators for better effect.

Please understand I'm not knocking what has been done, it's epic! Just needs a little bit more ... just a little ...
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I received another Patreon update from Paul Docherty about Heart Of Neon today. Nothing about the actual progress of the editing process. He doesn't even mention the documentary. I've been following this story for a while and It's making me a bit uncomfortable now.

Paul seems to be busy doing all kind of things, keeping busy with indie dev things and film festivals and retro gaming events, while happily collecting close to $1.000 each month. He's been doing that since november 2019. I've worked that out to be 57 months in total. Anyone can do the math of how much money Paul has collected in that time.

It seems to me that anything that generates $1.000 per month doesn't really give an incentive to finish as quickly as possible. And I don't know how much an hour of editing goes for these days, but at this rate I feel like we're looking at a pretty expensive documentary, that I'm afraid I won't be seeing for free either.

Is Paul Docherty being honest? Or is he dragging his feet to extend this money generator for as long as he can? It wouldn't surprise me. The retro gaming community has seen its share of conmen and scammers.
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I thought as the original kickstarter campaign didn't fund he was basically doing it as a 'passion project' in his own spare time.

If that was the case then I can understand needing/wanting to do other stuff and not spend every living, breathing moment doing it.
However, if he is getting 'paid' consistently then he should be consistently putting in the effort to get it done, so it would basically become his 'job'.

I have no idea basically what is (or isn't) getting done and what his circumstances are etc but if you are paying (patreon?) you can always stop of course if you are unhappy.
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I thought it was near complete? No idea why I thought that but assumed maybe ...
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I'm not a Patreon supporter so unsure how regularly he sends out updates through that platform.

However, I'm subscribed to the Heart of Neon mailing list and he sends out emails fairly regularly on that, last one was July 03.
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A normal documentary or feature film (not counting heavy special effects) takes 4 months to a year maybe. This guy has been going for 57 months. It's actually insane. He's getting paid by the hour, so I'm not surprised that he's not really pushing to finish.

That said, this is going to be the definitive telling of the Jeff Minter story! It's been edited to God level standards. I don't think anybody has ever spent so long creating a Jeff Minter documentary. Can't wait.

When you think about it, it kind of makes sense. The Jeff Minter Llamasoft story has been told so many times already, it's unlikely going to have many surprising new revelations or discoveries. Most people who would be interested in watching this have probably already heard it. Why spend so much time on a story that's been regurgitated so many times already? And it's not like he's managed to create a huge following as evidenced by his "24 hour" live stream which didn't last 24 hours and had almost no views and yielded a very low amount of money made for charity. Better make it last for what it's worth. 57.000 bucks doesn't sound so bad.
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TheHighlander wrote:A normal documentary or feature film (not counting heavy special effects) takes 4 months to a year maybe. This guy has been going for 57 months. It's actually insane. He's getting paid by the hour, so I'm not surprised that he's not really pushing to finish.

That said, this is going to be the definitive telling of the Jeff Minter story! It's been edited to God level standards. I don't think anybody has ever spent so long creating a Jeff Minter documentary. Can't wait.

When you think about it, it kind of makes sense. The Jeff Minter Llamasoft story has been told so many times already, it's unlikely going to have many surprising new revelations or discoveries. Most people who would be interested in watching this have probably already heard it. Why spend so much time on a story that's been regurgitated so many times already? And it's not like he's managed to create a huge following as evidenced by his "24 hour" live stream which didn't last 24 hours and had almost no views and yielded a very low amount of money made for charity. Better make it last for what it's worth. 57.000 bucks doesn't sound so bad.
OK "all I know about all this" .. NOT much .. well I have seen if we are talking about "Hearth of Neon" a few cuts/versions .. first of all I know that "speaking about recorded material" ( raw footage ) I'd dare to say "there's probably enough for 2 more documentaries" :mrgreen:

As far as I know Paul is NOT paid by anyone for doing it ( Hearth of Neon ) he's doing it all with his own money/what he manages to collect ( don't know how ) and I don't think he has "that much money" for it.

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The Jeff Minter Llamasoft story has been told so many times already, it's unlikely going to have many surprising new revelations or discoveries.
YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT THIS IS WHY THE DOCUMENTARY IS *NOT* ABOUT THAT, it's about NEON THE LIGHTSYNTH

It's *NOT* the "heard and re-heard and told and re-told" "classic" Jeff's history of Llamasoft ( there may be a TINY bit in to introduce Jeff/LS to those that don't know anything about ) but it's really all focused around NEON.

Now about the money/time/etc. I think "most of the time" - from the very little I know about all this ( which is LITTLE ) - I think been spent trying to "make the documentary get into certain places" I don't know how much been spend into editing but I know there's been "at least" 3 .. 4 ? different edits, to focus more on this and that and to adjust various things.

About the money .. "from various things I heard", "even just to sort out legal issues for distro and such" I am quite sure/convinced that 57.000 buck it's "a drop of piss in an ocean" and for doing what he'd love to do with it I suppose figures like $500,000 ( 500K bucks ) would still be "pretty little" probably just about sufficient to say "Good morning sir, will you give a look at this documentary and maybe consider it for .. ?" .. and they'll probably reply "Ok but leave another 500K on the desk and pay me a 100K lunch at that restaurant then we'll talk .. " ...

Keep in mind at $1000 per month you would NOT even find anyone in Italy that would cook a plate of spaghetti per day for you, it's too little ( considering that with taxes and all would get more around $500 per month ).

So yeah in fairness I don't know PRECISELY what's going on but I know Paul been working his arse off for this stuff and been trying really hard to create "a really good product" .. however .. "in a few days I should something it seem so I'll know better".

But yes "what I've seen so far" it's DEFINITELY NOT "the usual LS story", it's NEON.
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ZZAP! Live 2024 wrote:Sat 17 Aug 2024 10:00 AM - 11:30 PM
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Evening Event: At around 7pm we will be starting the evening entertainment - "An evening with Jeff, Giles and Dokk".
  • * The first part of the evening will be a sneek peak view of "Heart of Neon", the feature length documentary about Jeff directed by Paul Docherty (Dokk).
    * Following the show will be a Q/A with Jeff Minter and Giles - hosted by Paul.
    * EXCLUSIVE : Jeff and Giles will perform a full blown VLM show!
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Harlequin wrote:
ZZAP! Live 2024 wrote:Sat 17 Aug 2024 10:00 AM - 11:30 PM
Holiday Inn, CV8 1ED
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Evening Event: At around 7pm we will be starting the evening entertainment - "An evening with Jeff, Giles and Dokk".
  • * The first part of the evening will be a sneek peak view of "Heart of Neon", the feature length documentary about Jeff directed by Paul Docherty (Dokk).
    * Following the show will be a Q/A with Jeff Minter and Giles - hosted by Paul.
    * EXCLUSIVE : Jeff and Giles will perform a full blown VLM show!
I'm looking forward to that. I should make it if everything goes to plan.
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Whiteball wrote:
Harlequin wrote:
ZZAP! Live 2024 wrote:Sat 17 Aug 2024 10:00 AM - 11:30 PM
Holiday Inn, CV8 1ED
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Evening Event: At around 7pm we will be starting the evening entertainment - "An evening with Jeff, Giles and Dokk".
  • * The first part of the evening will be a sneek peak view of "Heart of Neon", the feature length documentary about Jeff directed by Paul Docherty (Dokk).
    * Following the show will be a Q/A with Jeff Minter and Giles - hosted by Paul.
    * EXCLUSIVE : Jeff and Giles will perform a full blown VLM show!
I'm looking forward to that. I should make it if everything goes to plan.
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