Politics Thread!

[PFVA]

I gather this is a protesting weekend.

3:00 pm today public service demonstration. They are on strike today with schools and some offices closed. The demonstration is national and they'll come fm the other district capitals to Lisbon

11:00 pm the ones who want to burn Lisbon and police says they are ready for

3:00pm tomorrow
1) Called by several organisations fm the left against police brutality and racism
2) Called by the right in support for the police
(These 2 in separate areas)

As for me I'm not planning to leave my town.

[PFVA]

Something tells me that night in the city will be calm.
Mother Nature is solving the probs with copious amounts of rain.

[PFVA]

Well, they still managed to burn 16 vehicles last night.

On the good news side the 2 demonstrations happen peacefully.

And the leader of the right wing party is going to be investigated for hate crimes such as incentive to violence. So far in a couple of days they got 100K signatures including from a few former governments members including the former minister of Justice.

[venusian]

It's like history happen right in front of us.

[snaff]

https://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/news/co ... yth-731158

A GOATHERDER from northern Iraq who ended up selling drugs on the streets of Aberystwyth has been jailed.

Hawre Ahmed, 35, had fled to the UK ‘seeking a better life’ but had been recruited by an organised crime gang

car washes

and barber shops as "front" businesses

Ahmed and Jabari are the latest members of the gang to be convicted, with a dozen members already behind bars for flooding Aberystwyth with large quantities of cocaine

taxi drivers, to ferry drugs, cash and people

Many of those recruited by the gang were asylum seekers who had been granted leave to remain in the UK and the gang used car wash businesses and barber shops as ‘fronts’.


The two other heads of the gang are believed to have fled to Iraq. - so whoever these 'refugees' are fleeing from is obviously less dangerous than the Welsh police.

[KlaxonCow]

It is actually against the law for asylum seekers to be in employment while their application is being processed. The law says they have to be on benefits.

This leads to black market work. Falling into crime from gangs and people traffickers. This might lead to folks considering doing some illegal "side business" - like selling drugs - when no-one's looking.

This is a dumb law.

Asylum seekers should be allowed to work. The law should, of course, mandate that the employer is told that they're an asylum seeker and, thus, it's quite possible that their asylum claim is rejected and they're deported... and the employer just lost that employee. BUT if the employer knows and is fine with that - there are plenty of employers who have a high turn-over and will not notice nor care, and some employers might want to do this to help refugees - then it should be legal for the asylum seeker to get work.

Because then they're paying taxes, not living on benefits. A contributor to funding public services, not a burden on them.

And if you're processing their application, trying to determine if they would be a useful contributor to society should their application be granted, then what better way to assess that? You can directly see them doing well at their job, paying their taxes, and contributing. It's not a hypothetical guess whether they'll be good for society if granted asylum, we can judge it directly, as they're actually out there doing it.

And if permitted to work, but they don't make any attempt, then you've also got some hard evidence there that maybe they won't be that much of a contributor to society.

The system itself makes this harder than it should be. Makes it more costly to the taxpayer than it ought to be. Puts refugees in an awkward position - of course, no-one should break the law for any reason, but one can understand the temptations and desperation that might lead someone down a wrong path (just as, you know, gangs do that with our native unemployed youth as well).

Enlightened self-interest. We could make this much easier for everyone involved and improve its efficiency. And everyone can win.

Indeed, if the world were generally a better place, then these people wouldn't be migrating in the first place. If everywhere was prosperous and peaceful and safe, then that would "stop the boats" better than any other policy or measure could.

Enlightened self-interest. Make the world a better place for everyone and then shit like this will cease being a problem that you ever have to worry about.

[PFVA]

I don't know if it still is this way but the USA used to have a temporary work permit meanwhile your application was being processed.
It makes a lot more sense.


We are being flooded here too with coke in its various forms and other drugs and they are being sold by people not in a good financial situation several of them immigrants or minorities already born here. But those products are entering the country in high quantities thru export companies fm South America, tropical fruit is one of the most common products and there is front companies receiving them and afterwards distributing them. It's no secret, some of the networks have been caught here and in Spain. Yachts and private planes also bring a lot of coke.
In all this organized crime there is lots of nationals involved, lots of people fm other EU countries, and from other parts of the world. And lots involved on the washing of the enormous quantities of money.
The migrants are just a small part of this.

Note: I know all of this from watching evening news. It's no secret. That's my complain about the right wing, they blamee all of this on the immigrants but I'm still to see them saying anything about the mafias, cartels running the show.

[snaff]

It is actually against the law for asylum seekers to be in employment while their application is being processed. The law says they have to be on benefits.

And these illiterate gangsters who can't speak English have so much to offer the jobs market.

Record numbers of people don't work because immigration suppresses wages to levels only third-worlders are willing to accept. Half the natives are dragged down to third world living standards to compete while the other half are claiming record levels of bennies, or working public sector non-jobs that the government dishes out to keep the farce going, paid for by inflation that hits the ever-shrinking productive workforce the hardest.

Rachel Reeves about to ratchet up the inflation and theft from the productive again tomorrow.

[snaff]

I don't know if it still is this way but the USA used to have a temporary work permit meanwhile your application was being processed.
It makes a lot more sense.


We are being flooded here too with coke in its various forms and other drugs and they are being sold by people not in a good financial situation several of them immigrants or minorities already born here. But those products are entering the country in high quantities thru export companies fm South America, tropical fruit is one of the most common products and there is front companies receiving them and afterwards distributing them. It's no secret, some of the networks have been caught here and in Spain. Yachts and private planes also bring a lot of coke.
In all this organized crime there is lots of nationals involved, lots of people fm other EU countries, and from other parts of the world. And lots involved on the washing of the enormous quantities of money.
The migrants are just a small part of this.

Note: I know all of this from watching evening news. It's no secret. That's my complain about the right wing, they blamee all of this on the immigrants but I'm still to see them saying anything about the mafias, cartels running the show.

You have to wonder why European governments are so keen to bring in all this cheap labour for the benefit of the mafia gangs.

[snaff]

Look at this shit:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyv8y68e25o

Job: Unemployed
Income: £33,000 in benefits

Third highest earner of the seven for doing fuck all work. Also no tax on that.

Then look where the money goes: govt bennies -> rent -> landlord. Landlords couldn't make it in a private marketplace. House prices would fall, good for everyone except govt and the comfy public sector pension BTL boomers.

If the woman's really disabled she deserves help, but should she be paid more than workers? Look at who is mostly claiming these bennies - Mumsnet tells you how to get your PIP claim through - don't just tell the doctor you're depressed, say you've had violent impulses, no doctor will take the risk of being investigated for missing that - guaranteed sick note. Too much paperwork - pay £600 for a professional form-filler with guaranteed claim success. Suddenly nobody's working, no problem, bring in another million immigrants. Immigrants are all on bennies too, no problem, raise public sector pay and tax the workers more.

Vote for change? Bloated public sector doesn't want change. UK scamocracy.

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Market today pricing in 25% inflation over the rest of this Labour term but have fun with your comic.

[tufty]

I think you pissmelled 2.5%. Unless you have a cite for that claim, you fuckwit.

[snaff]

I think you pissmelled 2.5%. Unless you have a cite for that claim, you fuckwit.

[tufty]

So we'll ignore that you're showing a 5 day price graph..

Now explain to me, in words someone who worked in the city for 5 years and knows how gilts are priced would understand, how that shows what you're claiming.