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KlaxonCow wrote:But, yes, this is where the rot sets in.
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They intend to fully criminalise pornography - that's a stated aim. They're already moving to criminalise masturbation there.
I hope you are aware that the Democrat's proposal is, as Dio pointed out, a pisstake in response to anti-abortion laws.
Ah, right. Failed to spot that it was a Democrat that brought it forward.

But I'd say it's more like satire. Because the "ban pornography" thing is a real stated aim of the Heritage Foundation who came up with this Project 2025 plan, and that's essentially an indirect ban on wanking. So it seems entirely plausible that it would come from MAGA - and they're probably fuming that a Democrat has called them out on actual legislation they've got planned.
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Dear Mr Trump please start thinking before you open your mouth or write something on social media!!!
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I'm referring to Trump blaming the previous Administration and the affirmative action program at air traffic control for the accident before he knows what happened.

Actually it seems there was a mistake by the helicopter crew who was flying a night training mission.
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Why change his style now ?
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At one point the BBC was reporting him as saying "I don't know why the helicopter didn't go up or down". They might as well interview a five year old.
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Now he is posting that "The Blackhawk helicopter was flying too high, by a lot. It was far above the 200 foot limit. That’s not really too complicated to understand, is it???"

Perhaps he will now state that the helicopter had a woman driver because of DEI.
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Harlequin wrote:Perhaps he will now state that the helicopter had a woman driver because of DEI.
It was a Blackhawk helicopter.

Now, if it had been a Whitehawk helicopter...
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I have seen unverified reports that one of the pilots may have been female, but then if you think about it, this is unusual - I suspect if you looked back historically the majority of air accidents would have involved able-bodied white straight aircrew. Using "common sense" then we can see what action should be taken to prevent air accidents in future...
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In the meantime he is changing everything everywhere (and some of this is Republican agenda not just Trump. And I don't like this thing of "patriotic admiration". History should be true and realist with regards to any country. Errors should be discussed to be avoided in the future.
The order calls for schools to provide students with an education that instills "a patriotic admiration" for the United States, while claiming the education system currently indoctrinates them in "radical, anti-American ideologies while deliberately blocking parental oversight."

Without proof, the order claims that students are forced to adopt "identities as either victims or oppressors solely based on their skin color" and "made to question whether they were born in the wrong body."

"These practices not only erode critical thinking but also sow division, confusion and distrust, which undermine the very foundations of personal identity and family unity," the order states.

The order threatens to sanction schools that support LGBTQ students, but specifically trans students, by promoting what it calls "social transition" -- meaning acceptance of a student's gender identity.
This is from UPI the news agency and I saw it at YahooNews.
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I just discovered something rather shocking about America the other day that I had never realised.

I was watching an American history teacher on YouTube reacting to "Philamena Cunk on America", because Diane Morgan (plus Charlie Brooker's writing) is absolutely hilarious and to also get an American history teacher's perspective, so you can see if he agrees with this spin on American history. Which he broadly does.

He makes a comment about "Manifest Destiny". That idea that America had a God-given right to spread all the way to the Pacific coast, which it did.

But then he drops the bombshell. Did you know that the British Crown had a peace treaty with the Native Americans in 1763?

It's called "The Royal Proclamation of 1763".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Proclamation_of_1763 wrote:The Royal Proclamation of 1763 was issued by British King George III on 7 October 1763.
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The Proclamation at least temporarily forbade all new settlements west of a line drawn along the Appalachian Mountains, which was delineated as an Indian Reserve. Exclusion from the vast region of Trans-Appalachia created discontent between Britain and colonial land speculators and potential settlers. The proclamation and access to western lands was one of the first significant areas of dispute between Britain and the colonies and would become a contributing factor leading to the American Revolution.
Woah. I did not previously know this. This is a dark chapter of American history that's kept quiet.

The Brits actually made peace with the Native Americans. Drew a line and everything West of that is an Indian Reserve, respecting their sovereignty.

And this was actually one of the initial sparks that started the American Revolution. Because the King was forbidding any expansion West. To respect and leave the Native Americans alone.

And the "Manifest Destiny" land speculators and settlers really didn't like this. They wanted to expand West and push those darn-totting "Indians" out of the way, taking all their lands. From sea to shining sea.

I can see why the Americans don't fanfare this motivation, as it hardly makes them look good. If they kicked off the American Revolution in part, so that they could happily break the peace treaty - as it no longer applies, when it was agreed with the British King - and just invade and conquer all that Native American land.

But it's strange - much like the similarly rarely told story of the "West Africa Squadron" - that none of this is ever mentioned in British history.

Just before the American War of Independence, Britain actually brokered a peace with the Native Americans to leave the Western side of America alone.

And that Britain did not only abolish slavery, but actually formed the "West Africa Squadron" - a fleet of ships patrolling West Africa to directly stop the Atlantic slave trade.

David Olusoga taught me about the HMS Black Joke. A clipper built in Baltimore, she became the Brazilian slave ship Henriquetta. Part of the Atlantic slave trade, shipping slaves to the Americas. The Royal Navy captured her, and then purchased the ship into the fleet. Then this former slave ship was posted to the West Africa Squadron to stop the Atlantic slave trade.

Such an interesting story of a slave ship that became part of a fleet to stop the slave ships.

Like, these are actually events that should be taught in Britain. That the British Empire did, on occasion, do the right thing. Particularly because, in both these cases, it didn't have to do anything, but proceeded out of a principled stance to get it right.
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I'm not at all sure how principled it was. I'm pretty sure the British Empire saw the "New World Empire" inevitably coming in the longer term. So it was far more likely realpolitik than that: "We're already struggling to control this colony, better not let them have any more land, best way to do that is to give it to the natives who are no threat."
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And on Trump's actions of the day:

From the LA Times

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers abruptly increased the amount of water flowing from two California dams.
The federal agency made the decision after President Trump signed an order calling for increased water deliveries.
Local water managers, who were caught off-guard by the decision, said they convinced Army Corps officials to release less water than originally planned.

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Pawlik said the Army Corps was releasing water from the dams “to ensure California has water available to respond to the wildfires.” It was not immediately clear how or where the federal government intends to transport the water.


From someone like me who loves Nature it would be a kind of nice seeing California go back to its original state and getting rid of the intensive agriculture of the San Joaquim Valley. I'm afraid though that the intention is not environmental.


the link to the LA Times: https://www.latimes.com/environment/sto ... -opened-up
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Trump due to announce 25% tariffs on Canada (10% on oil because hey, let them eat gasoline right?), Mexico and 10% on China. Hes also aiming at the EU because apparently they weren't "kind" to the US. One estimate I've seen puts the effect as a $3,000 rise in costs for the average American per year, but thats the lower end of the range. Just as well no-one will be able to afford to throw eggs at him isn't it?
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Harlequin wrote:Perhaps he will now state that the helicopter had a woman driver because of DEI.
No, he's apparently blaming dwarfism.



This is one of those moments where reality is satirising itself so well, you just can't parody it.

Trump thinks the helicopter crashed because the FAA recruits dwarfs.
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KlaxonCow wrote:Trump thinks the helicopter crashed because the FAA recruits dwarfs.
And, it would seem, people with "complete paralysis".
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KlaxonCow wrote:Trump thinks the helicopter crashed because the FAA recruits dwarfs.
And, it would seem, people with "complete paralysis".
In fairness, I could see how a completely paralysed dwarf piloting the helicopter would be unable to prevent the crash.

But, by the same token, how did they take off in the first place?


No, jokes aside, one of the early warning signs of fascism is that they start going after disabled people and mistreating criminals.

They start rounding up and "disposing" of "the undesirables" - and these people, who are a "burden on the nation", are not seen as human beings. So they're just shovelled around like shit and treated like cattle. So that's your early warning sign.

Churchill warned of this. Saying that the way you judge how "civilised" a nation is, is by looking at how it treats its most undesirable members - criminals, the disabled, the elderly, the poor - because no matter how well they treat everyone else in their society, this shows you their true colours and who they really are.

Such as shuffling immigrants off to Guantanamo Bay, that American facility that's not on US soil, so none of the states have any legal jurisdiction there and the military governs its own oversight.

Basically, they previously sent terrorists there, because you could conveniently bend the rules and ignore human rights and legally get away with it, because only the military have oversight and jurisdiction there... and they'll do whatever the Commander-in-Chief orders, as he's top of the chain of command.

(Under international law, soldiers are still obligated to refuse bad orders - as the Nuremberg trials confirmed, "I was just following orders" does not absolve you of any blame from committing the heinous act. But guess which country is not a member of the International Criminal Court?)

And a really big problem is that if the USA turns full-on neo-Nazi on us, then could the rest of the planet, combined, actually stop them? America has a bigger defense budget than the rest of the world combined so, in those economic terms, the answer is currently "no".
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