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tufty wrote:America is done.
And it's already looking for "Lebensraum" - threatening Canada to become the 51st state, threatening to take over Greenland.

So I'm forced to ask the question again. What the fuck does the rest of the world do, if America goes full-blown Nazi?
Resist.

It would have to be done.

The alternative would be capitulation. A world ruled by Nazis, with Treblinkas for all non-blondes.

It would be bloody.

Somebody would probably survive.

I hope they won't go that far.

Canada being the 51st state would be very odd, Puerto Rico is already in line for that, or wasn't Alaska the 51st?

Does Vance have blue eyes? who's the Heydrich in the USA?
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The hope would be that the American people will actually step up as "land of the free, home of the brave" to resist - that even the "cult of personality" MAGA voters would eventually realise that they actually voted in a tyrannical government and it was Trump, not Obama, that they were holding onto their 2nd Amendment rights for - and topple the regime internally.

But, then again, I've been hoping for the Russian people to have done the same with Putin for a long while now - it's not without precedent, after all, because that's why the Soviet Union fell - with no hint that they have any appetite to do so (well, barring the rather unexpected aborted coup attempt from the Wagner Group, Putin's own mercenaries, but who knows what was going on there, particularly as they just gave up, seemingly out of nowhere - so who knows what Putin threatened or what deal was made, but it wasn't kept, as their leader's dead now and we all know who ordered that).

To think, if he hadn't turned his head at the last moment, none of this - and the coming 4 years (or more) - would have happened.

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Valerie, V for Vendetta wrote:“Our integrity sells for so little, but it is all that we really have.

It is the very last inch of us. But within that inch, we are free...

An inch; it is small, and it is fragile, and it is the only thing in the world worth having.

We must never lose it or give it away; we must never let them take it from us.”
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KlaxonCow wrote:The hope would be…
Ah, hope. I remember that.
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Well, if it helps:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j0vwpkwkxo

This is one of the guys who basically made Trump think hes God-Emperor but still.

Meanwhile, in Ukraine, there appears to have been a 30 day "Energy Ceasefire" (i.e. no strike on energy related targets like powerplants) following a call between Putin and Trump (we'll ignore the fact air raid sirens were sounding after the call ended) . However, one of Russias declared goals for a more wide-ranging ceasefire is that Ukraine receives "no more foreign military aid". Gee, can't imagine what Russia will do when some pretext comes up for ignoring any ceasefire! I hope THE BEAUTIFUL, VERY, VERY, SMART THE SMARTEST PEOPLE on the US side can work that one out for themselves!

Incidentally, at this rate, Trumps "ending the war in 24 hours" is apparently going to operate on the same timescale as Putins "three day special military operation"...
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And oh, Germany has voted for a bill that will allow them to increase military spending (there is still another vote to get through later in the week). As the BBC very diplomatically put it, they've previously been reluctant to so since 1945 for "historical reasons".
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tufty wrote:America is done.
Clearly the continent (the land) is fine, it's the USA (the people on one part of it) who are in trouble.

I'm having difficulty believing it. What are the army and the marines going to do? The pretense that Trump is President not King can't last much longer, and when that becomes blatant, the army will be duty bound to resist, which will not be a small thing. In Germany, there were stormtroopers to match the army which was still restricted (in 1933) by the treaty of Versailles; as Klaxon Cow says, the army of the USA is mighty and there is no USA militia of the nazis.

Supposing it continues without intervention, there will be refugees. That's going to solve the USA's housing crisis, but make things worse elsewhere.
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This is not related to what it's being discussed but I need to moan.

Yesterday the authorities moved in to close a building where 40 families of immigrants were living paying up to €500.00 each for a place where bathrooms and kitchen were shared by all. The place was an old school, and the current owner was using it to rent space tp immigrants, legal immigrants. He was making close to €20 thousand a month doing that, What kind of f... person does that? :evil: :evil: If the laws are applied now he will have to pay the taxes, the penalties and fines of unreported income, plus the fines of renting a place not in conditions to be rented but still he should have to go to jail. :evil: That's in a town close to mine and probably were the neighbours that called the authorities.


And like it's not enough, ilegal immigrants working on the fishing industry 1 hour out of here were living packed in old warehouses those with even less conditions. :evil:
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zip accident wrote:What are the army and the marines going to do? The pretense that Trump is President not King can't last much longer, and when that becomes blatant, the army will be duty bound to resist, which will not be a small thing.
Technically, the American people are also duty-bound to resist as well.
Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson, July 4th 1776 wrote:That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
This is actually the first granted right - because "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" are inalienable rights of just being a human being, not granted rights - of every American citizen. And, as you can see, it is not just their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government.

But historical principle aside - because what does it practically matter when Trump seemingly has been granted "the Divine Right of Kings" to ignore whatever the fuck laws he likes, and the Supreme Court is in his pocket that they are not correctly telling him to sit down and shut up? Nixon lost because he uttered "when the President does it, it's not illegal" to David Frost - but now that's just become the land of the law, not a scandalous resignation-worthy impediment to would-be dictators - for all the talk of the 2nd Amendment, the practical reality is that your pistol or shotgun is useless, if facing trained soldiers with cruise missiles and aircraft carriers.

It does very much matter how the army reacts.

But this is the other bit of bad news. Because whilst denying that "Project 2025" was the plan all along during the election, Trump's lackeys have been gloating, after electoral success, that this was the plan all along, suckers.

And it involves, as we're seeing, cutting government down to an ineffective size to resist and then swapping out all the key positions for Trump loyalists.

So would the US Army actually do anything, when - under the pretext of getting rid of "DEI" - you've removed the problematic "liberals", instituted a Trump loyalist lackey to run the department?

The first thing that "Project 2025" is doing, under Elon's cuts, is crippling / removing any opposition and parachuting Trump loyalists into key positions (as well as just the general "smaller state = less power to affect things").

The Heritage Foundation, in drafting "Project 2025", gave Trump a full plan to take over and control government first, before they move to the "restoring Christian values" part of their plans.

Although, that said, that scene in "the Handmaid's Tale" where the women show up to work to find they've been fired is already happening to women, blacks, trans people, gays, the disabled or other "DEI hire" under Elon's "purge".
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Post removed. It was fake news.
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Yeah, don't visit America right now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly67j35y99o
Tourist in US chained 'like Hannibal Lecter'

A tourist held in the US for 19 days was removed in chains like Hannibal Lecter, according to her parents.

Becky Burke, 28, arrived home in Wales on Tuesday from her ordeal which began half way through a backpacking trip across North America.

Parents Paul and Andrea Burke, of Portskewett, Monmouthshire, said their daughter was "traumatised" after being taken in "leg chains, waist chains and handcuffs".
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Ms Burke's detention came as what her family think was a misunderstanding of her accommodation arrangements.

She got free accommodation for helping host families "around the house", which her father believes authorities may have suspected broke the terms of her tourist visa.

The US State Department says people on visitor visas are prohibited from carrying out "employment" during their stay.
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So she got free accommodation on her backpacking trip around America, by helping her hosts with household chores. Cleaning, putting out the bins, cooking or whatever. And, in return, she got somewhere to stay.

No money was exchanged, as far as I can ascertain. But, nonetheless, this was considered "employment" for her doing work in exchange for a reward, even if not monetary, which is against the terms of a tourist visa.
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Americans consider free housing, free utilities, and free food like income-in-kind.
If you want to compute someone's income and they receive those free you add whatever other income people may have to the income in kind to come up to their monthly income.

However in these kind of situation is plainly stupid, the person is just going around backpacking. She could have gotten around it by just saying she was touring the country by staying with friends that weren't charging her. But it's still stupid.
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PFVA wrote:Americans consider free housing, free utilities, and free food like income-in-kind.
If you want to compute someone's income and they receive those free you add whatever other income people may have to the income in kind to come up to their monthly income.
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And while he has a British viewpoint here, the thing to realise is that, increasingly, this is true of the entire planet.

I pretty much work permanently from home. It seems unlikely now that this is going to fundamentally change, as the business has perfected working remotely.

It's started hiring people from all over the UK, who could not possibly commute to the office - I hear Liverpudlian and Devon and some Midlands accents in my co-workers now. The office used to be on two levels, but they stopped renting the upstairs and the downstairs is manned by a skeleton crew - we keep the office really to have somewhere to meet and greet, and give demos, to clients. That's the only reason I ever go in now.

There's no fundamental reason, really, why the hiring pool is only in the UK, other than the bosses don't currently seem interested to expand internationally.

Before Covid, in my previous job, I was in a "business centre" that had an engineering firm. Their boss basically built a big shed style of office in his back garden. No rent - it's how, when Covid hit, they could survive through.

Why landlords - and their paid politicians - are shitting themselves is that, increasingly, more and more businesses are realising that they can get the same work done with greatly reduced costs, from paying less or no rent. Employees are often more productive from the better work / life balance, and the lack of the costs (in time and money) of a commute.

Businesses are being founded as remote businesses from the off. They might not even have an office - or only some sort of space for meeting clients only, really.

The world is going mad because the shit has hit the fan. There are revolutions going on under the surface, and the old order is desperately trying to cling onto the old ways. These are the death throes of the old order.

Don't get me wrong; a cornered wolf that knows it's going to die is going to pounce. Fight for its life. It's the only way out for it, and it has nothing to lose. But its chances of survival are extremely low and it's basically already dead.

There is a glimmer of hope on the other side of this dark tunnel. But I can't say how many of us will make it through, because shit could get a whole lot massively worse than even this yet. Capitalism is eating itself. The old order and its institutions are crumbling, and our trust in them has completely died. Everything is re-configuring and fuck knows where it'll end up.
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It was pointed out to me that Elon's mass-firing email "tell us 5 things you did this week" actually made no sense.

He's emailing 2 million employees and asking them to email back.

Who the fuck is going to read all those 2 million emails?

So, actually, Elon emails you for a list of 5 things. Just email him back a list of 5 things - doesn't matter if it makes any sense, because no-one's actually ever going to read them to check they make sense.

Therefore, let's email Elon back.

"1. one for sorrow 2. two for joy 3. three for a girl 4. four for a boy 5. five for silver".

There you go, 5 things. We're only emailing back because he could set up some computer code to check that everyone he emailed emailed back, and we did email back.

No-one's actually reading the list to check that it makes sense. So say anything, and you're not conceding anything to him. But you keep your job because Elon's bluffing - there's no way he can check 2 million emails - and you've called his bluff.

What's interesting about this is that Elon himself must know it's impossible to actually check all the replies. He has to know it's bullshit. So he really only ever did it as threatening "performance theatre". Maybe, at best, there's computer code that's checking that everyone it's sent to replies back. So send any old reply.

The Department of Government Efficiency wasting time and money emailing everyone that it cannot possibly check. What an efficient use of taxpayer money.
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