PC Leader Board?

[hairy_pete]

I probably had 20 warp rounds total, two more totally doable, for I've finished with three triangles collected and easily had five near misses.

As I said earlier, the 6th green track yields almost 2M on PS4, on the other hand I failed at two of the gappy ones and at least one rings warp. So about 10M points from Warps.

Didn't even feel that great, but it improved on my previous leading score - so yes, still the top spot on PS4, 5M over the next guy.

First three levels don't give a Warp Triangle, but after that, there are very very few that don't. Some rarely do like 9 or 14 or 28, some require leeching from enemy shots, some make it dangerous to catch them - but as this attempt shows, you can go risky for near-perfect warp cadence and still make it all the way.

[Tempest Nut]

So at 61 you had 12, and then you got 8 more between 61 and 97? WOW

I'd love to see that 2M bonus round... Is it twice as long than all the others, or something else?

[hairy_pete]

It is long - and really easy too. Just spiraling in one direction, one sharp turn in the middle and then simply spiraling the other way until the end.

I'd love to share recordings - but PS4 recordings are useless here, making them disrupts game flow too much, and with one game taking 3 hours, it just won't do. My big TV has a USB recording feature I've never tried, maybe that works.

[Tempest Nut]

It is long - and really easy too. Just spiraling in one direction, one sharp turn in the middle and then simply spiraling the other way until the end.

I'd love to share recordings - but PS4 recordings are useless here, making them disrupts game flow too much, and with one game taking 3 hours, it just won't do. My big TV has a USB recording feature I've never tried, maybe that works.

You know, the same level is on the PC! I stand corrected...

I guess I hadn't played pure for so long, and all the videos I've watched didn't get to the sixth green trail bonus round, that I didn't think there was a 2M bonus round on the PC ver...

I should have just taken your word for it! (me banging myself on the head and talking to myself) Stupid, Stupid, Stupid, Stupid...

[Tempest Nut]

So at 61 you had 12, and then you got 8 more between 61 and 97? WOW

I'd love to see that 2M bonus round... Is it twice as long than all the others, or something else?

Getting 8 more bonus rounds between 61 and 97 means you must have gotten a triangle on nearly every one of some of the most difficult levels the game has!
That's some great leeching without dying!

If Atari ever has Llamasoft fix the end-of-game bug and push out a patch, I might start putting some time into pure, but there still is the issue with the impossibly high BS scores for pure and classic on the PC leaderboard, so what's the point? For now, I'll just stick to survival...

[hairy_pete]

Well, catching a Warp Triangle on every level was the whole point in this attempt ... and rest assured there was a lot of dying! I wasn't actually playing too well, was down to two or three lives more than once, and barely made it to the end.

The increase in score shows that's how Pure needs to be played, so total opposite of how to play Survival.

Where does that take us? 1M more from end-of-game lives bonus, about 2M more once we get past green track gaps, and 1M more from getting one more green track ... I expect this to max out around 21M.

[Tempest Nut]

Well, catching a Warp Triangle on every level was the whole point in this attempt ... and rest assured there was a lot of dying! I wasn't actually playing too well, was down to two or three lives more than once, and barely made it to the end.

The increase in score shows that's how Pure needs to be played, so total opposite of how to play Survival.

Where does that take us? 1M more from end-of-game lives bonus, about 2M more once we get past green track gaps, and 1M more from getting one more green track ... I expect this to max out around 21M.

With all the bugs fixed and a once-in-a-lifetime game, 21M sounds about right for the possible max score...

I could push my leaderboard pure score up to the 18M's and my classic score in the 19M's, but what's the point when those two somehow cheated scores of 27,000,000+ on both the pure and classic are still on the leaderboard???

I wish I could find out who moderates that board and ask them to take down those two impossible scores...

Reaching level 100 in a game of Pure is fairly easy for me now, as for most of the game, I'm playing with max lives from rarely dying. It must be the same for you as well...

We might be the two best players in the world right now? VanAlphen would be there too if he still played T4K, but he moved on long ago...

[Tempest Nut]

I probably had 20 warp rounds total, two more totally doable, for I've finished with three triangles collected and easily had five near misses.

As I said earlier, the 6th green track yields almost 2M on PS4, on the other hand I failed at two of the gappy ones and at least one rings warp. So about 10M points from Warps.

Didn't even feel that great, but it improved on my previous leading score - so yes, still the top spot on PS4, 5M over the next guy.

First three levels don't give a Warp Triangle, but after that, there are very very few that don't. Some rarely do like 9 or 14 or 28, some require leeching from enemy shots, some make it dangerous to catch them - but as this attempt shows, you can go risky for near-perfect warp cadence and still make it all the way.

Technically speaking, It is possible to get a second 2,000,000M point bonus round on level 98, but you would need to get a tringle on EVERY level after the second level, or get the second 2,000,000M point bonus round on level 99, but again, you would need to get a tringle on EVERY level after the third level. That's 24 bonus rounds in a single game!

If someone could pull that off on the xbox or psx, that could possibly get them to the 22,000,000M point range and they would be the Grand Champion of All Time in T4K!

[Deckard]

I wish there was a Pure without the bonus levels - they take away from the game and dont add to it (bar the stupid amount of score they add) and they also add too much time to a Pure play through...I also dont really enjoy either of them either especially as one is "broken" for me.

[Tempest Nut]

I wish there was a Pure without the bonus levels - they take away from the game and dont add to it (bar the stupid amount of score they add) and they also add too much time to a Pure play through...I also dont really enjoy either of them either especially as one is "broken" for me.

I agree! Usually, when I'm playing for fun, I skip the bonus rounds by failing at the start and going right back to the game.

I don't really get what the bonus rounds have to do with Tempest? There really is nothing "Tempest" about them, and "bonus" points should never be more than the normal points; if anything, they should be just a little more points...

Pure should be just the normal Tempest 4000 gameplay starting on level one, only with no bonus rounds.
Classic should be as it is now, where you can start at any level you've made it to before, with or without bonus rounds.
And survival would be unchanged...

If you have to have bonus rounds, make A new mode called "Plus" or something...

"Pure" should be just that, Pure Tempest and nothing else!

[hairy_pete]

Well historically, in Tempest 2000, the Warp thing would actually do something, namely let you skip five levels forward. So that was actually useful if you used it cleverly to skip levels that gave you a hard time. Yet still, if you were going for a highscore, you had to deliberately fail the last ring - the levels you'd skip would give you way more points than the warp bonus, and many extra lives also - there wasn't a limit on how many lives you could have either. Then since there wasn't an end-of-game bonus for lives retained, for best score you'd have to do more dying on purpose in level 100 and finish on your last life - exploiting the fact that levels would restart completely if you died.

Leechers would find levels where you could score more than the 20000 points needed for an extra life, and just keep dying there forever. (Guess why I'm not trying for a world record there anymore, it's just pointless. I've certainly been close way back in 1994, but the Internet wasn't quite a thing yet and online scoreboards totally weren't.)

In T4K I'm enjoying them as a bit of a respite, catch your breath, pause and go pee if need be.

[Tempest Nut]

I guess my leeching is weak! I'd sure would love to see video of someone getting bonus rounds in the 20's!

I just tried a few times to see how many bonus rounds I could get and I'm having a hard time believing anyone could get into the 20's in one game, and I can get a triangle on level 1 and 3...

[Tempest Nut]

I guess my leeching is weak! I'd sure would love to see video of someone getting bonus rounds in the 20's!

I just tried a few times to see how many bonus rounds I could get and I'm having a hard time believing anyone could get into the 20's in one game, and I can get a triangle on level 1 and 3...

It's prob just a me thing and need to practice that more...

I've leeched before, but it was 8 levels at a time for classic...

EDIT - wait a minute, getting 20 bonus rounds is still missing 20 levels! I was thinking about it wrong, for some reason I had it in my head you could only miss 5 levels and still get 20 rounds....

Nevermind, pay no attention to the rambling fool...

[Tempest Nut]

I have to say, leeching for max bonus rounds is no fun at all!

I just want mow them all down and there I am jumping around trying not to kill them? It sucks!!

[Tempest Nut]

Yeah I knew about pushing forward to bridge the gaps but it still fails me every time at some point before the end for no apparent reason - seems broken to me if I am honest after 100s of hours playing over the years.....I will upload some videos to YT this week and see if we can work out what I am doing wrong.

I think I can help you with that as I seem to be able to get across the uncrossable gaps again...

I have the "keyboard mapper" set with the "direction pad forward" mapped to a button I turn on at, or before, the green trail bonus round starts, I also hold the keyboard up arrow "forwards" until I'm across the first gap, oh, and I just remembered in the keyboard mapper I have the "left stick" mapped to the keyboard up, down, left, and right...

I don't know which, if any of these two, is why I can get across them now?

Once you get to the green trails with the gaps in the middle, you just have to sort of guess or imagine which way the trail keeps going from the trajectory it had before it disappeared. I've made it through those as well...