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SuperMappy wrote:I honestly hope i am wrong, but something seriously bad is going to come of this which will be even worse than has already happened at places like Kent State University in my home state. Honestly the really sad part is all this violence is just giving right wing politicians the fuel they need to impose tougher restrictions and chip away at our freedoms.
It's not the politicians, it's the voters, if the voters are really behind Trump's usurpation, as a small majority seem to be, then there is no recovery possible because if new elections are held, the same disaster would be elected again.

It's not clear yet, but I fear your freedoms may already be gone. I fear your constitution (as an actual influence on the behaviour of your politicians), is already gone. I fear that the USA as a combination of states under an overall legal system is gone.

If a majority of voters oppose Trump the US military could stage a coup, depose Trump and restore the constitution, but it doesn't look so far as if there is a huge majority against Trump, and it's looking like the kingdom of Trump is inbound.

It's going to be different. The USA was there before I was born, it was technically there before my father was born, but it wasn't dominant then.
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As usually US Public Broadcasting has a good piece about what's going on:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/downe ... -323089174

Note: Last night our TV was saying that the Azores (Portugal) are getting ready to receive emigrants returning or being returned fm the USA.
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So, first case of the marines actually detaining somebody is being reported. That's not good, especially as it seems it wasn't even a protestor.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump- ... 025-06-13/

And over here in Frenchystan, the government is all behind Israel's attacks on Iran. It was clearly very fortunate that Israel suddenly discovered Iran were mere hours away from producing an unusually specific number of nuclear weapons just before Netanyahu's war cabinet collapsed, certainly nothing to do with the talks Iran were having with the US and looked to be bearing fruit, and absolutely nothing at all like the claims about WMDs in Iraq. No, we're definitely praying for Israel as they hit more civilians with missiles.

Macron's statement of June 13 in video and text, with questions and answers, is available here. You might want some automatic translation.
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Two Democratic state politicians have been shot, along with their spouses, with two fatalities by an assailant masquerading as a police officer:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgv4y99n7rt

My understanding is that Minnesota has an exceptionally slim Democratic advantage and theres speculation this is deliberate targeting to try and change that.
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What, by reducing the number of Democrat voters by two?
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I don't know exactly how the numbers work, I presume there would have to be some kind of re-election for the now vacant positions and apparently the margins are that slim in the state.
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F-ZeroOne wrote:I don't know exactly how the numbers work, I presume there would have to be some kind of re-election for the now vacant positions and apparently the margins are that slim in the state.
I understand that prior to this, the Dems had a majority of 1. Now they have a minority of 1. I'm not familiar with how this works over there so I don't know what protections are in place to stop the Rs from just taking over.
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Barney wrote:I understand that prior to this, the Dems had a majority of 1. Now they have a minority of 1. I'm not familiar with how this works over there so I don't know what protections are in place to stop the Rs from just taking over.
From what I understand, None, until a special election takes place to fill the vacancy.
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Now add in that the suspect also tried to kill another senator, and apparently had a list of other democratic lawmakers. It seems relatively clear what his motivation was.
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Seen in one of the pics of the 'No Kings' Rallies

"The only minority destroying the US are the billionaires"

Not just the US, I would add.
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Quite.

Meanwhile, did you see the big beyootiful parayde? I don't think I've ever seen less enthusiastic or disciplined marching.
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Trump has demanded Iran "unconditionally surrender".

I have a bit of an interest in military history, and I'm not entirely sure there any prior examples of demands to "unconditionally surrender" to sides the demanding nation isn't actually at war with yet [1].

[1] Yet, and yes, possibly they are by proxy etc.
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F-ZeroOne wrote:I'm not entirely sure there any prior examples of demands to "unconditionally surrender" to sides the demanding nation isn't actually at war with yet
Ummmm - I think a major prior example might be the US telling Ukraine to unconditionally surrender to Russia.
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F-ZeroOne wrote:I'm not entirely sure there any prior examples of demands to "unconditionally surrender" to sides the demanding nation isn't actually at war with yet
Ummmm - I think a major prior example might be the US telling Ukraine to unconditionally surrender to Russia.
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Okay, that one I somehow missed, probably lost in all the noise from the current US administration (assuming it was them)…
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