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KlaxonCow wrote:Trump just sort of stood there.
What could he do? The guy had just met Vance, he was clearly doomed.

If you watch the actual video, it's not like Trump just resolutely stood there. It is an instant taken somewhat out of context. Still funny, though.
Yes, you're quite right.

I've now seen the full video and this is just a choice moment captured at the right time, as he does initially look over with concern about what's happening. But he's not a doctor and other people have responded to it, so there's not much he can do - and, really, this moment is more Trump standing there, not really knowing what to do next. He can't continue, and he doesn't really know how to help this guy and other people are attending to it anyway.

So it's really more Trump standing there thinking "okay, what do I do now? I guess I just wait".



I accept the rebuke of not misrepresenting what happened. The picture is just a funny moment, and it doesn't actually represent that Trump completely ignored what happened. It more represents that he didn't know what to do in that moment, because there wasn't really anything for him to do.
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Oh, there's no rebuke. What is really funny is that his "pinwheel of death system has hung / what do I do now?" pose is the one he uses when being "presidential".
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Well, not like the Trump Administration has ever once taken anything out of context or misrepresented anything... :) Comparisons have been made, perhaps a touch unfairly because as has been pointed the image doesn't catch the full situation, but hey, its not like I like the guy either...

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comment ... ?rdt=34585
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Well, yeah. And actually, there were things he could have done, rather than freezing, if he were any kind of leader. A bare minimum might have been "Ladies and gentlemen, please leave the room as we have to get an emergency team in here".
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Someone taking Trump's "IQ test", so you know exactly what he's boasting about:



It's also worrying, considering how short the test is, that Trump states that they re-ask you the list of words "10, 15 or 20 minutes later". Did he really take that long to complete this test?

Also, the idea that you get "bonus points" for recalling them in order isn't true - there are no "bonus points" in a cognition test - but is a nice exaggeration by a compulsive liar to make him passing the test sound more impressive. Indeed, if you could get "bonus points" then he should have gotten more than a perfect score, right?
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I feel I should clarify something about race. Race is a real thing. It is not important. There are many races. There are not conglomerate super races, there is not a "white" race, there is not a "black" race, there is not an "African American" race (though "African Americans" are not pure blood of any particular African race). Australian "Aborigines" are not African. Any and all similarities between African Americans and Australian "Aborigines" (that are not simply the result of being human) are the result of convergent evolution.

Judaism is a religion, an Abrahamic religion, and should be despised on religiious grounds, not racial ones, any one with one Jewish grandparent is/can-be Jewish, I've met a black Jew, and a blue eyed blond Jew, it's not a race.

Islam is equally an Abrahamic religion and equally despicable, the people could drop the religion and would then be fine.
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No, zip, race is not a thing. We are all mongrels. The number of communities that have, and have had, zero mixing with outsiders is asymptotic to zero.
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tufty wrote:No, zip, race is not a thing. We are all mongrels. The number of communities that have, and have had, zero mixing with outsiders is asymptotic to zero.
That depends on the timescale. If you mean forever, then that's trivially true. If you mean for long enough to generate F1 hybrids on remixing, as I do, then it's not close to simple.

There are quite a lot of populations in the world that are mostly unmixed (native North Americans. isolated tribes, bigots of various ethnicities).

The english were pretty unmixed between counties in, say, Shakespear's time. Now due to railways and cars that's mostly changing, but there are probably one or two villlages here like yours. Western Europe likewise, WW2 and the Iron curtain probably mixed up Eastern Europe significantly, but I'm guessing about that.
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Trump is one-upping Doctor Evil and wants to sue the BBC for 1 billion dollars. Thats a lot of licence fees...
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Race is a social construct. It has no useful biological definition nor empirical test and, therefore, is a term simply not used in biology.
Wikipedia wrote:Modern science regards race as a social construct, an identity which is assigned based on rules made by society. While partly based on physical similarities within groups, race does not have an inherent physical or biological meaning.
We're not just making this up, nor adhering to some sort of "political correctness" - I mean, for pity's sake, it's me and tufty, so tell me when are we otherwise unthinking "woke bots" who just virtue signal what's socially acceptable? And, therefore, why would this topic suddenly differ, unless it's simply factually true? - but this is established consensus science.

Please review this Numberphile video, which demonstrates tufty's "mongrel" point by simple mathematical example:


Everyone has two parents. Therefore, four grandparents, 8 great grandparents, 16 great great grandparents. Until we reach the arithmetical conclusion that, following the powers of two, you had over 4 billion ancestors some 32 generations ago.

Except this would initially seem logically impossible, as there were not 4 billion humans alive on the planet some 30 * 32 = 960 (but let's call it a thousand) years ago.

The answer to this conundrum is that we're double counting, triple counting, etc. the same person multiple times. You're related to the same historical person through multiple different lines of descent.

And, in fact, if you continue backwards then you reach the arithmetical conclusion of a historical generation who is either related to everyone alive today (or related to no-one, as their family line died off).

And, as the video covers, finding a shared common ancestor happens far earlier than most people would imagine nor credit.

If you're looking for first generation hybrids, then that happened a very, very, very, very long time ago. Not least because this arithmetic runs continuously throughout Darwin's "Tree of Life". There's no "barrier" between Homo Sapiens and other hominids - we all have Neanderthal DNA, and more recent studies suggest that this is a good thing, because it's now believed that Neanderthal evolved spoken language first. Not Homo Sapiens, but Neanderthal and we inherited it through "cross-breeding", as it were. There's ample evidence of their DNA within ours.

And here's an important note: By the definition of speciation, different species are defined by their sexual incompatibility. By definition, you cannot cross-breed different species (at least not naturally, genetic modification through technology can breach these lines).

You state that race is not important. I would state that it's not even meaningful. This is all continuous - every single individual genetically differs from all other individuals. If you're going to draw arbitrary lines in the sand, then why not that every single human being is a unique genetic individual (even identical twins, due to epigenetics and such). There's 8 billion "races" of human on planet Earth. Or maybe there's 2, or maybe there's 378, or maybe it's all just "lines in the sand" - a social construct - that has no actual biological meaning whatsoever.

Why pick out the handful of genes controlling melanin expression over the far more numerous genes responsible for your unique facial configuration? Or those determining your eye colour over those responsible for the size of your visual cortex, for example?

Why give genes that have overt visual consequences - black skin, red hair, blue eyes, etc. - over, for example, my own genetic claim-to-fame that I have no wisdom teeth. And, no, that's not just that they never developed, they never existed. My gums stop before where any wisdom teeth would have been and there is no space in which they could have ever existed.

Because, you see, earlier hominids had bigger mouths, able to hold more teeth, but as Homo Sapiens developed a smaller mouth, wisdom teeth became a problem. The human mouth doesn't really have room for them - and natural selection was working on removing them, but humanity invented civilisation, dentistry and tooth extraction before it got to complete the job. And as now extract problematic wisdom teeth that they pose no survival threat, then all evolutionary pressure to complete the job has vanished since.

Why pick on someone's levels of "biological sunblock", any more than picking on me for being a post-wisdom-teeth genetic freak?

Because it's easy to see someone's skin colour, but not so easy to count the number of teeth in my mouth?

Melanin is supremely ancient. It developed over 500 million years ago, and is shared by large swathes of the Animal Kingdom. If there were a "black race" and a "white race", then they diverged some 500 million years ago... and we're expected to believe that these separate "races" just so happened to evolve - gene for gene - exactly in parallel with each other, to retain sexual compatibility, ever since?

With nod to Douglas Adams, this is "infinitely improbable" or, in other words, statistically impossible. Or, as tufty put it, "asymptotic to zero".
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As I was saying, let the rich leave New York, as they can't take their real estate with them:

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Sarkozy was let out on conditional release awaiting his appeal yesterday. Apparently he didn't have a very nice time in prison for 3 weeks.

And of course, the US democrats have once again demonstrated a total lack of spine or beliefs, and an incredible ability to turn victory into defeat. Less than a week after a clear indication that they were making significant ground, they've surrendered to the Republicans with absolutely no upside. Unfuckingbelievable
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A nice compare-and-contrast from the Daily Show, between Trump and Mamdani:

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Please allow me a small intermission to vent about local stuff.

Grrrrrr! Grrrrr!
I'm a convicted social democrat but some people irritate me
This morning.
In the capital.
Tree fell on top of one car.
Woman says she did notice no one was parked underneath it last night but she thought she was just lucky.
Now she is trying to obtain the money for a replacement car from the Municipality so she can go to work. :o
Say what?!?!
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The taxpayers are supposed to pay for that. 8O
GRRRRR ! GRRRR !
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