And it should be borne in mind that those who voted for Brexit on the grounds of the supposed oppression of our european overlords were the same who voted Farage and his merry bunch of twats over to europe on the explicit grounds that they were going there to do nothing. Not that they were going over to fight for change from the inside, but they were going there to collect their cheques and do nothing. A meaningless protest vote that significantly reduce the UK's decision-making power in Europe.
Farage recently had the nerve to talk about how the UK's fishermen had got a tough lot from Europe, but at the time where those decisions were made he was in the EU parliament and failed to go to *any* fisheries meetings.
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I don't know what your news feeds look like, but every time I see a story about Farage recently, it's about how he's taken large sums of money from corporate "donors" and - coincidentally - then happens to advocate for whatever the fuck they want him to advocate for.
He's an ex-banker and still a wanker, out for himself.
Scamming the populace that he's some "man of the people" by wearing a "Del boy" coat, a flat cap and holding a pint down the pub for a photo op. Then, you know, he goes back to fancy dinner parties with his millionaire and billionaire friends, laughing that the plebs are so easily fooled.
Like Trump, when he pretends to be religious, I don't detect that Farage believes a single fucking word he ever says. He'll literally say anything for cash - as his Cameo appearances demonstrated.
Ever notice that there's a permanent smirk on Farage's face? No matter what he's saying, you can see a permanent laugh behind his face. Subconsciously revealing that he internally finds it absolutely hilarious that he gets away with this shit. A little "poker tell" that he doesn't mean a word he ever utters. Look closely - that little smirk always hiding behind his face. Laughing at the ridiculousness of how, somehow, people actually believe him.
He'll literally say any old shit for £80. So imagine what he's prepared to do for a £5 million "personal donation" from his corporate overlords.
What a chungus imposter. So sus.
He's an ex-banker and still a wanker, out for himself.
Scamming the populace that he's some "man of the people" by wearing a "Del boy" coat, a flat cap and holding a pint down the pub for a photo op. Then, you know, he goes back to fancy dinner parties with his millionaire and billionaire friends, laughing that the plebs are so easily fooled.
Like Trump, when he pretends to be religious, I don't detect that Farage believes a single fucking word he ever says. He'll literally say anything for cash - as his Cameo appearances demonstrated.
Ever notice that there's a permanent smirk on Farage's face? No matter what he's saying, you can see a permanent laugh behind his face. Subconsciously revealing that he internally finds it absolutely hilarious that he gets away with this shit. A little "poker tell" that he doesn't mean a word he ever utters. Look closely - that little smirk always hiding behind his face. Laughing at the ridiculousness of how, somehow, people actually believe him.
He'll literally say any old shit for £80. So imagine what he's prepared to do for a £5 million "personal donation" from his corporate overlords.
What a chungus imposter. So sus.
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Nice profits for Trump for crypto and I see biden had a 12 page tax finances document and trump over 400 ? !
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New Labour no clue for productivity. Need some wizard scheme to fool the plebs.
Gordon Brown's cunning plan - take all the restrictions off mortgage lending, manipulate interest rates down to near zero.
Push house prices up 3X 97-07. Wealth illusion. Push extreme debt on everyone needing a basic home to live in.
Siphon all the money out the productive economy and into dead housing. Impoverish every non-boomer. Hoover in the boomer vote.
Parallel private debt explosion with public debt. Spunk the money away.
Crash economy 08. Tories fixing it would lose boomer vote - non-starter. Tory only option become big lefties, big QE.
All wealth creation gone. Whole economy is wealth transfer young to old, public sector and bennies running on QE.
House prices sticky downwards wealth illusion and transactions grinding along the bottom a decade plus.
Now it's all unwinding. IRs normalising. HPI crashing.
Brown cost the country more than a world war.
Whole lefty New Lab Tory ideology financially and morally bankrupt.
Gordon Brown's cunning plan - take all the restrictions off mortgage lending, manipulate interest rates down to near zero.
Push house prices up 3X 97-07. Wealth illusion. Push extreme debt on everyone needing a basic home to live in.
Siphon all the money out the productive economy and into dead housing. Impoverish every non-boomer. Hoover in the boomer vote.
Parallel private debt explosion with public debt. Spunk the money away.
Crash economy 08. Tories fixing it would lose boomer vote - non-starter. Tory only option become big lefties, big QE.
All wealth creation gone. Whole economy is wealth transfer young to old, public sector and bennies running on QE.
House prices sticky downwards wealth illusion and transactions grinding along the bottom a decade plus.
Now it's all unwinding. IRs normalising. HPI crashing.
Brown cost the country more than a world war.
Whole lefty New Lab Tory ideology financially and morally bankrupt.
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Burnham's big headline policy to launch his premiership - cut tax for house buyers.
Same old Brown/Osborne help to buy scam.
If a house is 300k and you give an extra 10k to the buyers, the price gets bid up to 310k. It doesn't help the buyers.
It's not 'help to buy', it's 'help to sell'.
Burnham is pushing the same old Gordon Brown scam of buying boomer votes with young people's money while crippling the productive capacity of the economy.
Strictly speaking HPI isn't raising the price of houses, it's raising the price of land that has planning permission.
High land costs make house building unprofitable. This is why nobody is building houses right now, builders would lose money.
The big builders actually like this because their primary business is not building, it's land-banking. The big builders are the biggest funders of all the political parties. They profit while the HPI pushes small builders out of business and cripples the housing market.
Same old ruinous Labour policies to look forward to.
Young people clap these policies like retards. These simple concepts are above the IQ of the media and education system.
Of course with rising IR and crashing HPI their scam is up.
Same old Brown/Osborne help to buy scam.
If a house is 300k and you give an extra 10k to the buyers, the price gets bid up to 310k. It doesn't help the buyers.
It's not 'help to buy', it's 'help to sell'.
Burnham is pushing the same old Gordon Brown scam of buying boomer votes with young people's money while crippling the productive capacity of the economy.
Strictly speaking HPI isn't raising the price of houses, it's raising the price of land that has planning permission.
High land costs make house building unprofitable. This is why nobody is building houses right now, builders would lose money.
The big builders actually like this because their primary business is not building, it's land-banking. The big builders are the biggest funders of all the political parties. They profit while the HPI pushes small builders out of business and cripples the housing market.
Same old ruinous Labour policies to look forward to.
Young people clap these policies like retards. These simple concepts are above the IQ of the media and education system.
Of course with rising IR and crashing HPI their scam is up.
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Burnham's great 'northern powerhouse' success. It's HPI from post-covid wfh southerners moving north.
Plus Manchester city council debt:
2017-2018: £629m
2018-2019: £900m
2019-2020: £1.0bn
2020-2021: £1.1bn
2021-2022: £1.2bn
2022-2023: £1.3bn
2023-2024: £1.3bn
2024-2025: £1.6bn
His great genius is to borrow £100 million per year and mire Manchester in an over a billion in debt. Who's going to pay that money back?
Burnham spunks the money over his friends and gets hailed as a hero, then fucks off to leave Manchester ruined for decades to come.
Same as his scum lot did to the whole country under Brown.
Now he thinks he can do the same again as Prime Minister while bad-mouthing bond buyers.
Thatcher/Major paid down the debt so Brown could go crazy. Sadly the Tories didn't pay down Brown's debt so Burnham's fucked this time.
Plus Manchester city council debt:
2017-2018: £629m
2018-2019: £900m
2019-2020: £1.0bn
2020-2021: £1.1bn
2021-2022: £1.2bn
2022-2023: £1.3bn
2023-2024: £1.3bn
2024-2025: £1.6bn
His great genius is to borrow £100 million per year and mire Manchester in an over a billion in debt. Who's going to pay that money back?
Burnham spunks the money over his friends and gets hailed as a hero, then fucks off to leave Manchester ruined for decades to come.
Same as his scum lot did to the whole country under Brown.
Now he thinks he can do the same again as Prime Minister while bad-mouthing bond buyers.
Thatcher/Major paid down the debt so Brown could go crazy. Sadly the Tories didn't pay down Brown's debt so Burnham's fucked this time.
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You're weird.
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The strange thing about your narrative here, snaff, is how you completely gloss over that it was Maggie who started this neo-liberal rot (not just in the UK but globally, as Ronnie's "Reaganomics" was basically him plagiarising "Thatcherism" for an American audience), and that we had 14 years of Tory "austerity" which did absolutely fuck all to help anyone but the super-rich.
Like, from the '70s to present day, it's MOSTLY BEEN TORIES in charge of this country. Blair and Brown had a brief stint of "New Labour" fun in the late '90s to early 2000s. But we've mostly been under Tories this whole time. Because England, she's weird, and she insists on voting masochistically for the "kill the poor" party, for completely inexplicable reasons - and having the numerical advantage, Wales and Scotland suffer whatever stupidity England's voted for this week. Hoping and praying that England will see sense not to "Roman salute" Farage into number 10, you mad bastards.
To be clear, I'm not going to defend Labour in any way whatsoever. I'm just more confused by how the Tories have been in power for 27 years since Maggie, while Labour have only managed 19 years in that same period... yet somehow only Labour gets the blame?
Personally, I think they're both cunts who've collectively ruined the country between them. But it's just plain weird to be harping on about Gordon Brown nearly 20 years after he left office, as if he's got anything to do with anything.
While ignoring 14 years of austerity and the fact that if "austerity" did anything, then something would have actually happened in those 14 years - if "austerity" worked, then it had 14 whole years to work its magic, so why did absolutely nothing useful economically happen at any point in those 14 years?
But, of course, the biggest problem with all these theories is completely ignoring that house prices are also ridiculous in Vancouver, Sydney, New York, Los Angeles, Paris, Berlin... house prices are ridiculous right across the entire Western hemisphere. All of them. Simultaneously.
And that the economic "boom" enjoyed in the early years of the Blair / Brown era was also shared with America and Canada and Australia... because it was the "dot com" boom era for the whole planet.
Now that is something you can criticise Brown for - acting like it was his "fiscal discipline" that was bringing the good economic times, but then pivoting to it being "global forces beyond my control" when the banking crisis happened.
When, of course, the real truth is that the world economy booms and busts of its own accord. And Brown got into office while a global boom was going on, and left office while a global bust - the banking crisis - was happening.
And none of this had fuck all to do with him. In fact, one of the things Brown did was give the Bank of England independence, so Chancellors have even less relevance than they had before, which wasn't much.
We live in a globalised world. Some UK Prime Minister or Chancellor fucking about with 1% or 2% taxes here and there has NO FUCKING EFFECT ON ANYTHING. They're not that important. The UK does not control that much power and wealth to matter on the global scale.
You're buying into the false narrative that any of these personalities matter in the slightest. They really don't.
Let's be clear here. When the pandemic hit, the UK Tory government implemented Communism for a year. They paid everyone's wages and gave free money to businesses. For a whole year, the UK Tory party implemented no less than Communism - state ownership of everything - and yet you still think that the political philosophies they claim to espouse actually exist and matter?
Nah, whoever you vote for in our neo-liberal world, you get the "feed the ultra-rich" party. Which wears two masks to make you think there's some debate and political philosophy going on.
But there isn't. Both parties just do whatever the billionaires want them to do, and refuse to tax wealth instead of work.
You care about whether the red shirts or the blue shirts win a particular football match, as if it matters... while completely ignoring that FIFA is openly corrupt as fuck and the entire sport's rigged.
But, no, "come on, you reds" or "come on, you blues", as if the colour-coding actually represented anything. And don't look at the man behind the curtain, who's just embezzling billions for himself and awarding "gold stars" to the orange manchild, while children are starving in Africa, as if any of this is remotely sane and normal.
Like, from the '70s to present day, it's MOSTLY BEEN TORIES in charge of this country. Blair and Brown had a brief stint of "New Labour" fun in the late '90s to early 2000s. But we've mostly been under Tories this whole time. Because England, she's weird, and she insists on voting masochistically for the "kill the poor" party, for completely inexplicable reasons - and having the numerical advantage, Wales and Scotland suffer whatever stupidity England's voted for this week. Hoping and praying that England will see sense not to "Roman salute" Farage into number 10, you mad bastards.
To be clear, I'm not going to defend Labour in any way whatsoever. I'm just more confused by how the Tories have been in power for 27 years since Maggie, while Labour have only managed 19 years in that same period... yet somehow only Labour gets the blame?
Personally, I think they're both cunts who've collectively ruined the country between them. But it's just plain weird to be harping on about Gordon Brown nearly 20 years after he left office, as if he's got anything to do with anything.
While ignoring 14 years of austerity and the fact that if "austerity" did anything, then something would have actually happened in those 14 years - if "austerity" worked, then it had 14 whole years to work its magic, so why did absolutely nothing useful economically happen at any point in those 14 years?
But, of course, the biggest problem with all these theories is completely ignoring that house prices are also ridiculous in Vancouver, Sydney, New York, Los Angeles, Paris, Berlin... house prices are ridiculous right across the entire Western hemisphere. All of them. Simultaneously.
And that the economic "boom" enjoyed in the early years of the Blair / Brown era was also shared with America and Canada and Australia... because it was the "dot com" boom era for the whole planet.
Now that is something you can criticise Brown for - acting like it was his "fiscal discipline" that was bringing the good economic times, but then pivoting to it being "global forces beyond my control" when the banking crisis happened.
When, of course, the real truth is that the world economy booms and busts of its own accord. And Brown got into office while a global boom was going on, and left office while a global bust - the banking crisis - was happening.
And none of this had fuck all to do with him. In fact, one of the things Brown did was give the Bank of England independence, so Chancellors have even less relevance than they had before, which wasn't much.
We live in a globalised world. Some UK Prime Minister or Chancellor fucking about with 1% or 2% taxes here and there has NO FUCKING EFFECT ON ANYTHING. They're not that important. The UK does not control that much power and wealth to matter on the global scale.
You're buying into the false narrative that any of these personalities matter in the slightest. They really don't.
Let's be clear here. When the pandemic hit, the UK Tory government implemented Communism for a year. They paid everyone's wages and gave free money to businesses. For a whole year, the UK Tory party implemented no less than Communism - state ownership of everything - and yet you still think that the political philosophies they claim to espouse actually exist and matter?
Nah, whoever you vote for in our neo-liberal world, you get the "feed the ultra-rich" party. Which wears two masks to make you think there's some debate and political philosophy going on.
But there isn't. Both parties just do whatever the billionaires want them to do, and refuse to tax wealth instead of work.
You care about whether the red shirts or the blue shirts win a particular football match, as if it matters... while completely ignoring that FIFA is openly corrupt as fuck and the entire sport's rigged.
But, no, "come on, you reds" or "come on, you blues", as if the colour-coding actually represented anything. And don't look at the man behind the curtain, who's just embezzling billions for himself and awarding "gold stars" to the orange manchild, while children are starving in Africa, as if any of this is remotely sane and normal.
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We're only making plans for Nigel:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn0v9l9x0g8t
Also, USA still in World Cup after Trump called FIFA and their result against Belgium is now USA won by 273 goals, one conversion, forty-two wickets and three Golden Snitches.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn0v9l9x0g8t
Also, USA still in World Cup after Trump called FIFA and their result against Belgium is now USA won by 273 goals, one conversion, forty-two wickets and three Golden Snitches.
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I hope Count Binface wins.
He actually has sensible policies, in comparison to Farage's "sell the NHS to my billionaire friends, so I can corruptly get a cut of the profits when I 'retire' after leaving office", "enrich myself with corporate donors at every opportunity" and "be a 'pantomime racist' to con the slightly-racist idiots into voting for me, as if I have anything remotely in common with these easily-manipulated plebs".
He actually has sensible policies, in comparison to Farage's "sell the NHS to my billionaire friends, so I can corruptly get a cut of the profits when I 'retire' after leaving office", "enrich myself with corporate donors at every opportunity" and "be a 'pantomime racist' to con the slightly-racist idiots into voting for me, as if I have anything remotely in common with these easily-manipulated plebs".
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If Binface wins, and stays on Sigma IX for his entire mandate, he'll still be spending more time in Clacton than Frogface has.
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Well done guys (n gals)
And
"He's started a movement. Loads of people in Clacton are putting bins in front of their house to show support."
"Vote for the bin, not for the trash"
Fucking class !
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Actually, if you think of the election arithmetic, and assume that all those who would have voted for a party that wasn't Reform lend Count Binface their vote, then Binface will actually win.
Because we operate a "first past the post" system, and Farage did not achieve 50% of the vote to win Clacton in the first place. So if all the Labour, Tory, Lib Dem and other votes are loaned to Binface, then he'll walk away with 60% of the vote, winning it easily, even if Farage doesn't lose an inch of the lead he had last time to win the seat (and many of those previous Reform voters might loan Binface their vote as well, simply because they might not be happy with either the "donations" Farage has been getting - and his obvious guilty response in doing this re-election nonsense, rather than just saying "look, here are my accounts" and clearing his name - or the fact that he's using Clacton to grandstand and "make a point" rather than do his fucking job).
But, yeah, if it's a straight conversion that everyone who didn't want Reform last time lends Binface their vote because they still don't want Reform, then Binface wins. Comfortably. With a landslide.
Because, you know, we operate that stupidly unfair "first past the post" system that horribly distorts things, and in this case will likely nullify the minority racist vote for Farage. We just need to encourage the people of Clacton who don't want Reform to not boycott the election, just because Frogface unnecessarily called it. No, please show up, and wipe him out - and, in doing so, ensuring that he can't actually be Prime Minister, if he's not a Member of Parliament at all.
The smart money's on Binface, not Frogface.
Because we operate a "first past the post" system, and Farage did not achieve 50% of the vote to win Clacton in the first place. So if all the Labour, Tory, Lib Dem and other votes are loaned to Binface, then he'll walk away with 60% of the vote, winning it easily, even if Farage doesn't lose an inch of the lead he had last time to win the seat (and many of those previous Reform voters might loan Binface their vote as well, simply because they might not be happy with either the "donations" Farage has been getting - and his obvious guilty response in doing this re-election nonsense, rather than just saying "look, here are my accounts" and clearing his name - or the fact that he's using Clacton to grandstand and "make a point" rather than do his fucking job).
But, yeah, if it's a straight conversion that everyone who didn't want Reform last time lends Binface their vote because they still don't want Reform, then Binface wins. Comfortably. With a landslide.
Because, you know, we operate that stupidly unfair "first past the post" system that horribly distorts things, and in this case will likely nullify the minority racist vote for Farage. We just need to encourage the people of Clacton who don't want Reform to not boycott the election, just because Frogface unnecessarily called it. No, please show up, and wipe him out - and, in doing so, ensuring that he can't actually be Prime Minister, if he's not a Member of Parliament at all.
The smart money's on Binface, not Frogface.
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It's nothing to do with me. I have opinions anyway, so here's my two cents:
Voter turnout will be the largest variable. People who back Farage are likely to turn out and vote for him again, perhaps not as many but a sizeable number. People who previously voted for someone else were voting for someone else even if they were voting against Farage; they may not bother voting at all unless the other parties were to encourage it by endorsing Binface.
Farage is likely to win. At a cost. The entire world is having a laugh at his expense and if the vote comes out something like 70/30 (or worse for him) then he's forever going to be ridiculed anytime he tries to claim the people support him. It cost him politically and wounds his ego.
Win or lose, Binface has already won.
The best thing Farage can do for himself is pull out, but he's probably going to repeat the same mistake his father made.
Voter turnout will be the largest variable. People who back Farage are likely to turn out and vote for him again, perhaps not as many but a sizeable number. People who previously voted for someone else were voting for someone else even if they were voting against Farage; they may not bother voting at all unless the other parties were to encourage it by endorsing Binface.
Farage is likely to win. At a cost. The entire world is having a laugh at his expense and if the vote comes out something like 70/30 (or worse for him) then he's forever going to be ridiculed anytime he tries to claim the people support him. It cost him politically and wounds his ego.
Win or lose, Binface has already won.
The best thing Farage can do for himself is pull out, but he's probably going to repeat the same mistake his father made.
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