Iraq Pictures

business3dogs · Post by **business3dogs** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:15 am 0

Those pictures have left me pretty speechless. We need to get as many people seeing these as possible.

Surfr · Post by **Surfr** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:28 am 0

They say a picture speaks a thousand words. What you have there is an entire novel of pain and sufffering

astrix · Post by **astrix** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:51 am 0

hey look alot like the pix my friend showed me who lives over there. the difference is he took his pix long before Bush and Blair went over there. Nothing like seeing a babys skull brken because the parents dissagree with the politics over there.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:43 am 0

Pictures like that should be posted on every street corner to show the brutal reality of our leaders' war games.

Jezmondo · Post by **Jezmondo** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:28 am 0

And a few more people ought to see these pictures as well.

Xstreme · Post by **Xstreme** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:48 am 0

What an utter, utter mess all round

Jimaroid · Post by **Jimaroid** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:52 am 0

It's easy to photograph devastation, it's not so easy to photograph freedom. Some shocking pictures, but (I feel like a black sheep here, sorry) there's also a lack of context to a lot of them. A group of troops standing around a possibly dead person? What happened? You just can't attribute blame in a picture like that. In the end, it's bloody good propaganda.

I'm was - still am - against the war, but I think it's unfair to judge a situation based on a bunch of unattributed pictures regardless of their horror.

koworld · Post by **koworld** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:10 am 0

Jimaroid wrote:

It's easy to photograph devastation, it's not so easy to photograph freedom. Some shocking pictures, but (I feel like a black sheep here, sorry) there's also a lack of context to a lot of them. A group of troops standing around a possibly dead person? What happened? You just can't attribute blame in a picture like that. In the end, it's bloody good propaganda.

I think that's why these photo's are so powerful. There are no captions, there is no wider context, some have an AK-47 in the foreground and some have an M16, or a stethascope. They're just documents.

They show humans in death, fire, fear or truimph.

I don't give a shit what the context - that mother lying in a ditch with her terrorfied kids is wrong whatever the cause. Saddam killed. We've killed. We've brutalised a whole country, not once but twice. It's wrong in any context or language.

Just wrong.

HGFB · Post by **HGFB** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:20 am 0

The BBC have a page for this sort of thing

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/2780295.stm

You can email them at

yourpics@bbc.co.uk

Jimaroid · Post by **Jimaroid** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:40 am 0

koworld wrote:Just wrong.

Yes, but it's also just life. I'm a cunt, and I'm sorry for the pitiful human race in its entirerity.

It's all fucked up. Hundreds of thousands of children die a slow, anonymous and miserable death from curable diseases every day, and we're sitting in our comfortable chairs crying over the death of a single mother. That's fucking wrong.

koworld · Post by **koworld** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:49 am 0

Jimaroid wrote: It's all fucked up. Hundreds of thousands of children die a slow, anonymous and miserable death from curable diseases every day, and we're sitting in our comfortable chairs crying over the death of a single mother. That's fucking wrong.

No it isn't wrong at all (she's not dead in that picture btw). One of the things you mention is about in-action but the other, more sinisterly, is about pro-action.

Jimaroid · Post by **Jimaroid** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:55 am 0

koworld wrote:No it isn't wrong at all (she's not dead in that picture btw). One of the things you mention is about in-action but the other, more sinisterly, is about pro-action.

Without proactive intervention thousands of people would have continued to live similarly horrific lives. All that has changed is that we get to see a bit more of the ongoing horror because we've `freed' the country. It is and always was going to be stalemate. I agree completely with you, Koworld. It's all wrong in any language and from any viewpoint. What I object to is the call for these pictures to be publicised as a way of justifying any of those points of view. To do so would be falling to the level of the very thing that `we' tried to stop.

The situation we are in, and everything that has led to and will come from it, is wrong. Holding up the pictures of the suffering to justify any point of view is something that I find unpleasent because people should not make decisions based on the emotional reactions of witnessing such unpleasentness.

Why do we feel that we can only take action after witnessing something unpleasent? That's the attitude I don't like. We should take action because something is fundamentally wrong, not just because we've suddenly seen it and until that point tried to deny its existence.

clovis · Post by **clovis** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:06 pm 0

http://www.9neesan.com/massgraves/

stark · Post by **stark** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:24 pm 0

Sickboy wrote:Incredible pics.

So it goes.

yeah i was merrily flicking down the first page or so, going 'wow these are really good war journo type pics...then the dismembered leg..and i suddenly felt a little queasy.

not the same sanitised crap you get on the TV is it?

manicx · Post by **manicx** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:29 am 0

stark wrote:not the same sanitised crap you get on the TV is it?

Depends where you live and watch the TV. I've been seeing such pics and videos over here since day1 of that joke. I still remember a few members of these forums asking me to send them a few images but I didn't have proper hardware to do so. Actually, these pictures are not very shocking comparing to what I've seen up to now.