Congrats to Yak and crew!!
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oh man... I come back off me hols to find the best news in the world .. evah.
I can't believe just how fucking great this is .
I really can't express just how awesome it all is!!
HUGE hugs and congrats to all concerned, man , this is just freakin' awesome!!!!!
SUPERB!!!
I can't believe just how fucking great this is .
I really can't express just how awesome it all is!!
HUGE hugs and congrats to all concerned, man , this is just freakin' awesome!!!!!
SUPERB!!!
"And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure."
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Re: Disappointment
Well, as Neon's not exclusively tied to Microsoft, there may (if Nintendo want it) be something by Llamasoft on a Nintendo system, so then maybe KD will be happy?Rod_S wrote:I actually pissed myself at that, at least you're being up front about itKid Dynamo wrote:my dissapointment is largely fueled by rampant Nintendo fanboyism
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He said that he can't do a Lightsynth/visualiser for the current gen, but that doesn't stop him using Neon technology for games.matt wrote:Jeff stated that as part of the licence agreement X360 is the only next gen console that can have Neon though?
matt
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Hopefully Kid Dynamo isn't getting any "I keel you, beeeyatch" PMs.
I do actually understand where anti-Microsoft folks are coming from, but I just can't jump on that train. I've worked for several large corporations in my "career" and the truth is that all of them are soulless. This is an unavoidable consequence of the way they are formed, and what drives them. Profit uber alles.
The individual people that make up the corporate body are normal people. Most of them decent.
I've given this sort of thing a lot of thought, and I doubt I'm expressing myself clearly. (Mainly because I'm sitting in a little cubicle on the premises of one of those soulless giant corporations taking a break from doing what they pay me to do.)
There are a couple of ways that these giant "evil" corporations could be brought to heel. One is the will of the people who own them. I don't see that happening anytime soon - it's easy to say, "I just have shares, I don't make any decisions." The other one is for people to found companies/corporations/organizations that provide an alternative.
How much profit is enough? Let's say "Ethical Consulting Inc." has as it's mandate to make, say, 10% profit annually. More profit than that could be redistributed in any of an infinity of ways - reduce prices...give to the community...disaster relief...etc. This could even be a selling point of the products and services. I know it's been done, but I don't know of any large examples. The profit-driven tendency of publicly held corporations tends to leech away altruism over time.
I do actually understand where anti-Microsoft folks are coming from, but I just can't jump on that train. I've worked for several large corporations in my "career" and the truth is that all of them are soulless. This is an unavoidable consequence of the way they are formed, and what drives them. Profit uber alles.
The individual people that make up the corporate body are normal people. Most of them decent.
I've given this sort of thing a lot of thought, and I doubt I'm expressing myself clearly. (Mainly because I'm sitting in a little cubicle on the premises of one of those soulless giant corporations taking a break from doing what they pay me to do.)
There are a couple of ways that these giant "evil" corporations could be brought to heel. One is the will of the people who own them. I don't see that happening anytime soon - it's easy to say, "I just have shares, I don't make any decisions." The other one is for people to found companies/corporations/organizations that provide an alternative.
How much profit is enough? Let's say "Ethical Consulting Inc." has as it's mandate to make, say, 10% profit annually. More profit than that could be redistributed in any of an infinity of ways - reduce prices...give to the community...disaster relief...etc. This could even be a selling point of the products and services. I know it's been done, but I don't know of any large examples. The profit-driven tendency of publicly held corporations tends to leech away altruism over time.
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Now I tell you what guys .. all this MS debate is really sad .. and not nice ..
All we wanted is to make Neon and make it as best as possible and
available to many people, that was the goal, we never cared "with who".
One works his tits off to try to make his best and create something nice,
works his tits off to find someone believing in his dream and able to work
together with him to make this dream becoming true, from beginning to end ..
And we have not been the only ones working out our tits for this to be
true, everyone we worked for and worked with us did his best for this to happen.
And now .. simply because we ended up in working with "mr X" and not "mr Y" one has to listen all this shite ?
What the fuck is that guys ? In which world you live in ? Tell me how you
are able to earn your living in a decent way doing the work you love if you are able to.
Now this fucking shit of "evil" is pissing me off .. you may have your reasons to belive all that, I don't say there could be not.
But you can't blame at all us because for doing Neon we are here now, oh
no guys I am not letting you doing that nor trying to find ANY single reason it should be that because there is not.
We did not piss anyone, we did not step over nobody else toes, we did
not steal anything to no one and I don't think really somebody ever dared
to think/do anything like that.
Now I don't think at all next time there will another project we first will
do a worldwide poll to ask "hey guys is it ok for you if we do this with X ?"
In any case there would be surely some n% unhappy because not this
because not that and blah blah.
If you think you can do better .. then do it .. if not, shut your mouth.
We do code .. we love to do nice things that possibly people can enjoy, we
like to create some happiness and share it with others, we would like to
see people happy.
In some machine this code has to end in ... in some way, we have to earn
a living and go on with our business too.
There are not thousands of different things in the world one can code
properly something like Neon on, there have been reason it HAD to be
in a console first .. consoles are not many now .. one of them had to be ..
And that's it ... you don't like Neon in Xbox 360 ? .. don't get it .. pity for you, you are missing something we believe is a nice thing.
But don't blame us for this choiche .. we wanted to do something nice and we did ... is here .. full stop ..
All we wanted is to make Neon and make it as best as possible and
available to many people, that was the goal, we never cared "with who".
One works his tits off to try to make his best and create something nice,
works his tits off to find someone believing in his dream and able to work
together with him to make this dream becoming true, from beginning to end ..
And we have not been the only ones working out our tits for this to be
true, everyone we worked for and worked with us did his best for this to happen.
And now .. simply because we ended up in working with "mr X" and not "mr Y" one has to listen all this shite ?
What the fuck is that guys ? In which world you live in ? Tell me how you
are able to earn your living in a decent way doing the work you love if you are able to.
Now this fucking shit of "evil" is pissing me off .. you may have your reasons to belive all that, I don't say there could be not.
But you can't blame at all us because for doing Neon we are here now, oh
no guys I am not letting you doing that nor trying to find ANY single reason it should be that because there is not.
We did not piss anyone, we did not step over nobody else toes, we did
not steal anything to no one and I don't think really somebody ever dared
to think/do anything like that.
Now I don't think at all next time there will another project we first will
do a worldwide poll to ask "hey guys is it ok for you if we do this with X ?"
In any case there would be surely some n% unhappy because not this
because not that and blah blah.
If you think you can do better .. then do it .. if not, shut your mouth.
We do code .. we love to do nice things that possibly people can enjoy, we
like to create some happiness and share it with others, we would like to
see people happy.
In some machine this code has to end in ... in some way, we have to earn
a living and go on with our business too.
There are not thousands of different things in the world one can code
properly something like Neon on, there have been reason it HAD to be
in a console first .. consoles are not many now .. one of them had to be ..
And that's it ... you don't like Neon in Xbox 360 ? .. don't get it .. pity for you, you are missing something we believe is a nice thing.
But don't blame us for this choiche .. we wanted to do something nice and we did ... is here .. full stop ..
Giles the billy goat
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Re: Disappointment
Hey, you're describing my setup at home!gilesgoat wrote: Say, you run...exclusively Linux and you wear a t-shirt saying "M$ suxx0rx" or things like that ?
I bet your house is full of Tux plushies, Linux magazines and books
Nothing wrong with MS gaming platforms. Nothing wrong with Jeff doing some work for MS..or Atari or anyone really. It's not as if he's writing the interface code for a missile system or something. I can't see how Neon will do anything but good to be honest. How can a lightsynth do harm to people?
As for Linux, I hope that Giles will be eating his words soon..There is nothing wrong with Linux users, as I hope to be proving to all in good time..
There will always be anti-whoever sentiment kicking around. When Unity was announced, there was a ton of "Why not on Xbox so I can play my CDs with the light synth?"-type questions being asked. No matter what platform a product is on, somebody is going to have some kind of anti-system bias so strong that anyone who works on the platform is a sell-out bastard. And then, this being the internet and all, they're going to tell us all about it.
If Neon was on Sony, you'd be sell-outs. If it was on Nintendo, you'd be crazy for backing an obvious failure. It's on Xbox, so you support the evil empire.
Very few people think this, but they do tend to be loud about it. I'd just write up one stock answer, and every time you see the same old objections trotted out one more time just do a quick copy/paste. It'll save you time and headache in the long run.
James
If Neon was on Sony, you'd be sell-outs. If it was on Nintendo, you'd be crazy for backing an obvious failure. It's on Xbox, so you support the evil empire.
Very few people think this, but they do tend to be loud about it. I'd just write up one stock answer, and every time you see the same old objections trotted out one more time just do a quick copy/paste. It'll save you time and headache in the long run.
James
News gets around:
That new movie blows the socks off the first one that was posted up. I've been browsing through their forum the last couple of days. It's weird, at first they seemed like a really nice bunch (I'm sure most of them are), but if someone makes even a slightly derogatory remark about Minter's work, they get fucking jumped on. One poor chap who bemoaned the fact it was a lightsynth and not a game that Minter had been working on said that he'd had PM's threatening to smash his face in. Bizarre.
I haven't got a problem with MS. If having Linux or Macs around forces MS to work harder to produce better software, then that's a win for everyone concerned. If you don't like MS, then you have a choice, which you wouldn't have if there was no choice. Win again for everyone.
The important thing to all of this is that fortunes change, and the Roman Empire fell in the end, so I don't get too stressed about it. Even Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer can't go on forever.
Sony if anything are worse than MS in their control-freakery..and they're all the same. MS, Sony and Nintendo..it's all down to profit at the end of the day.
The point to this ramble is that if MS are putting up cash for talented people to do a bit of work for them, then get in there..such chances are few and far between..and the XB360 is a better product because of Jeff's and Giles's efforts. And that's another win for everyone.
If you want to change the world, don't rant about huge corporate organisations that are never going to change their practices..get a computer system, get a compiler and learn to code. Then you can have the computer system that does what you want, rather than it being built for you on what people in suits think that you want...
The important thing to all of this is that fortunes change, and the Roman Empire fell in the end, so I don't get too stressed about it. Even Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer can't go on forever.
Sony if anything are worse than MS in their control-freakery..and they're all the same. MS, Sony and Nintendo..it's all down to profit at the end of the day.
The point to this ramble is that if MS are putting up cash for talented people to do a bit of work for them, then get in there..such chances are few and far between..and the XB360 is a better product because of Jeff's and Giles's efforts. And that's another win for everyone.
If you want to change the world, don't rant about huge corporate organisations that are never going to change their practices..get a computer system, get a compiler and learn to code. Then you can have the computer system that does what you want, rather than it being built for you on what people in suits think that you want...