Football: WORLD CUP 06 and close season/transfer discussion.

Dio · Post by **Dio** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:21 pm 0

Louis G wrote:I believe we have become most peoples 2nd team as such, like newcastle when booby robson was in charge.

Hmmm. I wouldn't have say I'd picked out Spurs as playing particularly interesting football - for 'second teams' I'd have said Bolton and Man City were all some way ahead of Spurs, as well as Liverpool of course due to their success last season.

But that's just my opinion of course

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Geenius · Post by **Geenius** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:24 pm 0

Dio wrote:
Louis G wrote:I believe we have become most peoples 2nd team as such, like newcastle when booby robson was in charge.
Hmmm. I wouldn't have say I'd picked out Spurs as playing particularly interesting football - for 'second teams' I'd have said Bolton and Man City were all some way ahead of Spurs, as well as Liverpool of course due to their success last season.

But that's just my opinion of course .

Or West Brom after their come back from the jaws

Zoot · Post by **Zoot** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:24 pm 0

Dio wrote:as well as Liverpool of course due to their success last season.

Bit of tin

merman · Post by **merman** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:29 pm 0

Cambridge United out of administration. Good news for the club, bad news for the local businesses that only get 19p in the pound owed to them...

Sickboy · Post by **Sickboy** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:40 am 0

Zoot wrote:
Dio wrote:as well as Liverpool of course due to their success last season.
Bit of tin

Correction: bit of tin that ol' red nose will never win again.

mac monkey · Post by **mac monkey** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:29 am 0

Baros not named in squad for TNS game tonight??

Must be getting rid of him i would guess now,which would be a shame although he didn't get many goals last season, he's still a threat,
& can change the pace of a game when he comes on
End up with bloody Lurch (Crouch) instead!!

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldow ... 8-1341.htm

KevG · Post by **KevG** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:13 am 0

Ahh, the Baggies

That was one hell of a turn around. Not a massive fan of Mr Robson as a manager but credit were credit's due. So I've got two second teams now, er ....

Yep: looks like Meeeeeeeelan is being left under no illusions as to where his future lies. Shame really. Got off to a reasonable start last season, got sucked into the Great Injury Vortex of 2005 and never really recovered. Doesn't look up enough for my liking but can cause hassle for defences with his directness.

Not sure where we're going with the trasnfers at the mo. All I know is we're still on the lookout for a center-half, winger and a striker. Who knows? It's all gone quiet

Zoot · Post by **Zoot** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:35 am 0

Sickboy wrote:
Zoot wrote:
Dio wrote:as well as Liverpool of course due to their success last season.
Bit of tin
Correction: bit of tin that ol' red nose will never win again.

hehe, you have to admit that I keep up the pretence and, as you very well know, I am definately in the "Fergie Out!" camp

KevG · Post by **KevG** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:45 am 0

Zoot wrote:I am definately in the "Fergie Out!" camp

A few ManYoo fans are saying that, now, Zoot. Is this all down to the Beckham sale or just a general feeling malaise? I'd say United could be on the cusp of another exciting phase in their history. That stuck in my throat that, but you get my drift

I do wonder though whether Fergie is the right man to get them there now, though. I can't really think who'd make a reasonable replacement though. Keane is too young/inexperienced Not convinced by O'Neill. You can't have Ged now cos he's at Lyon

I don't know much about Qieroz but I get the feeling is a technician rather than your all-round man manager plus technical coach.

That's all gut feel, really. What do I know? Just wondering what the OT faithful think.

Dio · Post by **Dio** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:05 am 0

Putting me Nostradamus hat on:
- lacklustre Man U performance this season
- Fergie kicked upstairs, Queiroz takes over
- another season of mediocrity
- Moyes brought in, having kept Everton in Europe at least one of the two years

If Everton make CL again this year he might be offered the Man U job at the end of it.

Zen-Chan · Post by **Zen-Chan** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:09 am 0

I think as soon as Martin O'Neills family issues are sorted out (he quit Celtic to help his wife battle cancer) he'll be straight in there.

Zoot · Post by **Zoot** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:18 am 0

Zen-Chan wrote:I think as soon as Martin O'Neills family issues are sorted out (he quit Celtic to help his wife battle cancer) he'll be straight in there.

Totally agree.

Kev - as I have stated a few times (you would be able to check back if someone hadn't got rid of the old stuff - oh, hohohohohoho, hehehehehe,

), my problem with Fergie is as follows:

1. Arrogance. "We're only playing Bolton this week, I'll rest eight of my players for the mid-week match. Result, ManYoo get walloped. If you check back over the past ten years, we have been beaten FAR more by teams in the lower half of the table than the better teams;

2. Little acumen in the transfer market. We have bought Â£100m of rubbish. God, I hate Wenger, but that man has style and vision. He twice built a team of champions on a very limited budget;

3. Personal fixation on Europe at all costs.

4. Poor man-management. It's Fergie's way, or no way.

Still love 'em, 'tho, and I honestly believe that we will win the League this year.

aureole · Post by **aureole** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:28 am 0

Fergies a lovely chap, but he's often quite gash in the transfer market.

Dio · Post by **Dio** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:29 am 0

Zoot wrote:2. Little acumen in the transfer market. We have bought Â£100m of rubbish. God, I hate Wenger, but that man has style and vision. He twice built a team of champions on a very limited budget;

That's a unique skill though - I can't think of one other manager who has done that.

KevG · Post by **KevG** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:44 am 0

Dio wrote: That's a unique skill though - I can't think of one other manager who has done that.

@Zoot Fielding weakened teams. There's a fine lien there isn't there. I think you have to select teams with one eye on bigger prizes but I agree. I think Fergie's crossed that line on a number of occasions to his cost.

I think Wenger is quite possibly one of the best players in the market we're likely to see. Huge knowledge of the game and where it's at now. Plays it brilliantly. I don't think Fergie's that bad, to be honest. Not great but I couldn't say that Rooney and Ronaldo were bad buys though there have been a number of flops, I'd concede. His problem here is that he had to complement a squad of lads who effectively grew up together and rose through the youth ranks. That was a great neucleus and one that was difficult to improve on.

I'd agree with Dio. Moyes is probably in top spot if he continues to progress with Everton.

I now have to lie down as I have been far too complementary to The Enemy