Says the clown that told me to "get the hell out".Rambozo wrote:That's really not for you to decide. If you like, you could PM Yak and beg him to ban us for having opinions that offend you.WHITAKER wrote:Rambozo and Matrix, you really don't deserve to be part of this online group.
Hurricane Thread
Except that I harbor no delusions of authority. Telling someone to get the fuck out is quite different from telling them that they "don't belong in this online community". One is an individual opinion. The other presumes to speak for everyone in the forum.JB Lars wrote:Says the clown that told me to "get the hell out".
Now please, butch up and quit whining.
I wonder if they thought of moving the city or portions of it rather than rebuild it exactly in the same space. There wouldn't be a better time to do it than now. They're evacuating everybody in anyway, they are warning they wouldn't be able to start rebuilding for several months, several comunities in several states are offering to take the refugees.
It would be a great oppurtunity to try to restore a bit of the natural environment in the areas more at risk of flooding and move those areas to a safer location.
I still can't believe they weren't fucking prepared to deal with this though, specially taking in consideration the set up of the city. That's FEMA's job. I just saw their Director being interviewed and saying they had run simulations of the possible disaster on a software but they didn't think so many people would stay behing strained in the city? They were only prepared for less than 10,000. Come on doesn't he get the data on the economic situation on the people living there? Where did he think they would get the money to leave? There was no plan to evacuate the city, people were left to figure it out on its own. And if they have enough National Guard as the keep saying they have why didn't they start deploying them the next day after the storm. They still haven't even gotten there.
It would be a great oppurtunity to try to restore a bit of the natural environment in the areas more at risk of flooding and move those areas to a safer location.
I still can't believe they weren't fucking prepared to deal with this though, specially taking in consideration the set up of the city. That's FEMA's job. I just saw their Director being interviewed and saying they had run simulations of the possible disaster on a software but they didn't think so many people would stay behing strained in the city? They were only prepared for less than 10,000. Come on doesn't he get the data on the economic situation on the people living there? Where did he think they would get the money to leave? There was no plan to evacuate the city, people were left to figure it out on its own. And if they have enough National Guard as the keep saying they have why didn't they start deploying them the next day after the storm. They still haven't even gotten there.
(from page 9) Just for you Whitaker."Now why dont some of you self-richeous types get off your butts and do something useful instead of attacking peoples point of view. Get on a train, in a car, go down there for the weekend and help out instead of sitting at home playing computer games secure in the knowledge youve told others how to go fuck themselves because you dissagree with them.
Go on, go down there... Id be amazed if anyone here actually made the effort and put their money where their mouth is."
You are in Tx, reasonably close, will you go and help ? or are you not that interested ? bothered, or concerned ? - something better to do over the weekend maybe ? .. play games, BBQ ? relax on the sofa with a beer ?
Well ? ... show us this great concern of yours ? any of you...
That is incredibly self-righteous.Matrix wrote:(from page 9) Just for you Whitaker."Now why dont some of you self-richeous types get off your butts and do something useful instead of attacking peoples point of view. Get on a train, in a car, go down there for the weekend and help out instead of sitting at home playing computer games secure in the knowledge youve told others how to go fuck themselves because you dissagree with them.
Go on, go down there... Id be amazed if anyone here actually made the effort and put their money where their mouth is."
You are in Tx, reasonably close, will you go and help ? or are you not that interested ? bothered, or concerned ? - something better to do over the weekend maybe ? .. play games, BBQ ? relax on the sofa with a beer ?
Well ? ... show us this great concern of yours ? any of you...
Donate 50 quid to the red cross right now.
Do that I'll shake your hand.
In the meantime, I'm back to lurking.
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Hm.lordP wrote:
Donate 50 quid to the red cross right now.
Now, I dunno whether that's bollocks, because I haven't been myself, and I probably never will (I'm unwell and middle aged). But if true, it's your £50 seen and raised.Matrix, on page 5, wrote:
Tell ya what, next time I head over to Africa with aid packs you can tag along.
Student gap-year stuff, I'd expect. All the kids are doing it!zip accident wrote:Hm.lordP wrote:
Donate 50 quid to the red cross right now.
Now, I dunno whether that's bollocks, because I haven't been myself, and I probably never will (I'm unwell and middle aged). But if true, it's your £50 seen and raised.Matrix, on page 5, wrote:
Tell ya what, next time I head over to Africa with aid packs you can tag along.
So the "next time" bit may well be bollocks, but who knows..
Conditions there now seem completely out of control according to this blog:
Pics of the looting:
http://sigmund.biz/kat/
http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/He's only hearing bits and pieces. The people in the city are shooting at the police. They're upset that they're not getting help quickly enough. The fireman keep calling because they're under fire. He doesn't understand why the people are shooting at the rescuers. Here it is 5 days ago the Mayor said get out of town and nobody went and now they're pissed.
The National Guard was at the Hilton, but now the Hilton is evacuated. When they said the CBD was gonna get 6 feet of water, it seems like everyone evacuated.
He turned the corner onto Canal Street and it looked like a flea market. People breaking into every store, going to the neutral gound (median) and trading and selling everything.
They broke into Winn Dixie Monday Night. Do they steal food? No. Cigarettes and liquor. Store was a mess. All the meats were going to waste so the districts went over there to salvage food for officers. Many cops have been eating MREs.
The Iberville Housing Projects got pissed off because the police started to "shop" after they kicked out looters. Then they started shooting at cops. When the cops left, the looters looted everything. There's probably not a grocery left in this city.
Pics of the looting:
http://sigmund.biz/kat/
Holy crap.
Good blog, thanks for that.
Good blog, thanks for that.
We're seriously considering trying to restore some order to this city since the government has totally given up (and probably couldn't do anything anyway). The police have been looting according to reports, and the honest ones are under siege at their precincts as automatic gunfire was unloaded at one near the Quarter.
I know it's dangerous, but I've got some experience with Foreign Internal Defense, and if there's a chance of slowing down this Planet of the Apes deterioration, someone's got to take the first step. I mean, it's Lord of the Flies out there right now. There's no order at all. No respect for private property, no respect for life.
The situation has got to be desperate for a lot of people sweltering in the heat with no food and water, no place to crap, no clean clothes, no place to sleep.
Looks like TWAT played a significant role in all this. Quotes from here (which links to the sources).
...It appears that the money has been moved in the president’s budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that’s the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can’t be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us.
-- Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; New Orleans Times-Picayune, June 8, 2004.
...The $750 million Lake Pontchartrain and Vicinity Hurricane Protection project is another major Corps project, which remains about 20% incomplete due to lack of funds, said Al Naomi, project manager. That project consists of building up levees and protection for pumping stations on the east bank of the Mississippi River in Orleans, St. Bernard, St. Charles and Jefferson parishes.
The Lake Pontchartrain project is slated to receive $3.9 million in the president's 2005 budget. Naomi said about $20 million is needed.
"The longer we wait without funding, the more we sink," he said. "I've got at least six levee construction contracts that need to be done to raise the levee protection back to where it should be (because of settling). Right now I owe my contractors about $5 million. And we're going to have to pay them interest."
...There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:
That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount.
But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said.
The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late. One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer was a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach. The levee failure appears to be causing a human tragedy of epic proportions:
"We probably have 80 percent of our city under water; with some sections of our city the water is as deep as 20 feet. Both airports are underwater," Mayor Ray Nagin told a radio interviewer.
Washington knew that this day could come at any time, and it knew the things that needed to be done to protect the citizens of New Orleans. But in the tradition of the riverboat gambler, the Bush administration decided to roll the dice on its fool's errand in Iraq, and on a tax cut that mainly benefitted the rich.
And now Bush has lost that gamble, big time. We hope that Congress will investigate what went wrong here.
The president told us that we needed to fight in Iraq to save lives here at home, and yet -- after moving billions of domestic dollars to the Persian Gulf -- there are bodies floating through the streets of Louisiana. What does George W. Bush have to say for himself now?
