Football: WORLD CUP 06 and close season/transfer discussion.

Geenius · Post by **Geenius** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:00 pm 0

It's possible that they weren't football fans at all, and didn't know it was Alan Smith in there. I heard it was quite a while afterwards, and a distance away. I've heard of kids attacking emergency service vehicles just for the fun of it (even calling out the fire service, only to pelt them with stones), so it's not necessarily Liverpool fans.

Zoot · Post by **Zoot** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:30 pm 0

Sickboy wrote:Still, there were plenty of fans in the ground who, in such a poisonous atmosphere, had the decency and sense of proportion to applaud him off.

Indeed, as I said in my post at the weekend - LFC have no worries about the behaviour of their fans at such a moment.

And Gerrard, whilst naturally a cunt

, held Smiths hand as he lay in agony. LFC should be proud of the way they played and dealt with a very difficult situation.

Governmentyard · Post by **Governmentyard** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:13 pm 0

Sickboy wrote:
goatboy wrote:
Sargie wrote:I just heard a rumour that Liverpool supporters attacked the ambulance carrying Alan Smith to hospital after his leg break at the weekend.

Does anyone know if this is correct?
No idea, but isn't it sad that I wouldn't be at all surprised it if was?
Why's that, then?

Because the arsehole element in Liverpool's fanbase are better at it and more famous for it than the arsehole element at most other clubs, it would seem. As Geenius points out though, it isn't necessarily Liverpool fans.... the reputation does exist though - facts be damned.

Sickboy · Post by **Sickboy** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:21 pm 0

goatboy wrote:
Sickboy wrote:
goatboy wrote:
Sargie wrote:I just heard a rumour that Liverpool supporters attacked the ambulance carrying Alan Smith to hospital after his leg break at the weekend.

Does anyone know if this is correct?
No idea, but isn't it sad that I wouldn't be at all surprised it if was?
Why's that, then?
Because the arsehole element in Liverpool's fanbase are better at it and more famous for it than the arsehole element at most other clubs, it would seem. As Geenius points out though, it isn't necessarily Liverpool fans.... the reputation does exist though - facts be damned.

Facts be damned, indeed. Where, pray, are you getting this misinformation from? Experience, or just good old-fashioned tabloid hearsay?

Governmentyard · Post by **Governmentyard** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:44 pm 0

Sickboy wrote:Facts be damned, indeed. Where, pray, are you getting this misinformation from? Experience, or just good old-fashioned tabloid hearsay?

Being a Forest fan, pretty much everywhere... although the worst extremes of alleged behaviour were related to me by Liverpool fans. I don't read the tabloids but most people seem to when it comes to forming an opinon of Liverpool supporters.

mac monkey · Post by **mac monkey** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:13 pm 0

goatboy wrote: I don't read the tabloids but most people seem to when it comes to forming an opinon of Liverpool supporters.

And what is your full opinion when it comes to all Liverpool Football Club supporters?

Serious question.

Governmentyard · Post by **Governmentyard** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:13 pm 0

I don't have an opinion about all Liverpool supporters. That would be stupid.

Flabio · Post by **Flabio** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:36 pm 0

My dad got us all barred from a pub in Liverpool once for telling the barman the best team won when Forest beat them in an FA Cup match.

mac monkey · Post by **mac monkey** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:45 pm 0

goatboy wrote:I don't have an opinion about all Liverpool supporters. That would be stupid.

Well you seem to pretty generalizing so far in your recent posts.

Football hooliganism is in most clubs in this country and if you compare us to the rest of europe, we are as a nation not even close to some of the barbaric incidents that happen in other footballing nations.
You are obviously tarnishing LFC with incidents such as Heysel & Hillsborough, both of which were if the truth be known as incidents that could of been avoided if the powers that be had taken any notice.
I don't condone for a second what happened with Smith, and other incidents alike, but these are not isolated to the Liverpool Borough, you would have a pretty clouded opinion if you thought this.

Governmentyard · Post by **Governmentyard** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:59 pm 0

i8manx wrote:
goatboy wrote:I don't have an opinion about all Liverpool supporters. That would be stupid.
Well you seem to pretty generalizing so far in your recent posts.

Football hooliganism is in most clubs in this country and if you compare us to the rest of europe, we are as a nation not even close to some of the barbaric incidents that happen in other footballing nations.
You are obviously tarnishing LFC with incidents such as Heysel & Hillsborough, both of which were if the truth be known as incidents that could of been avoided if the powers that be had taken any notice.
I don't condone for a second what happened with Smith, and other incidents alike, but these are not isolated to the Liverpool Borough, you would have a pretty clouded opinion if you thought this.

I've never been made properly angry by a post on this board before. How exactly am I generalising? By agreeing with Geenius? By specifying that all clubs have an arsehole element of supporters but Liverpool's arsehole element get more press and have been involved in more high-profile incidents than the rest? Because they bloody well have. Whatever the facts are about Heysel and Hillsborough the general public have taken on board the idea that the violent element in the Liverpool fanbase have an edge over the rest. How am I generalising by talking about this? Or not being surprised if another story about them makes the papers?

More to the point, how come I'm being lectured about generalisation and the ins and outs of continental hooliganism by someone called i8manx? Is your nick not pertaining to Mancunians then? ... because that's one hell of a generalisation if it is!

To be honest mate I really cannot be arsed to explain myself to you anymore. I feel like I am being hounded because of what I said - I wasn't even specifically thinking about Liverpool fans when I said it - my mention of them was due to Sickboy querying my post and being a Liverpool fan himself. I didn't want him thinking I tar all Liverpool fans with the same brush because I don't. I even shag some of them. Or used to. But I'm not generalising, however much you think I am. As it stands Nottingham has a worse rep for thuggishness, I'd say. I doubt Smudger's ambulance would have fared much better in the Meadows or Vicky Park. Whatever, I've got porn to unrar and it has to be more entertaining than this.

Sickboy · Post by **Sickboy** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:45 pm 0

Madness.

Apologies for the twitch, goatboy. I (sadly) take the point about the reputation of our arsehole element. Pardon my defensiveness - which, I guess, goes back to that unseemly business with The Sun trying to deflect the blame for Hillsborough from the bumbling, cowardly South Yorkshire cunt-stabulary onto our own grieving fans.

And go easy, manx. It's more acknowledgement than generalisation.

While we're here, gb. I did like your Island thing, but have been too mentalbusy to really send out any feedback. Soz about that. Sling me yer address details and I'll try and get you something proper to write about, next issue...

mac monkey · Post by **mac monkey** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:03 pm 0

Sickboy wrote:Apologies for the twitch, goatboy. I (sadly) take the point about the reputation of our arsehole element. Pardon my defensiveness - which, I guess, goes back to that unseemly business with The Sun trying to deflect the blame for Hillsborough from the bumbling, cowardly South Yorkshire cunt-stabulary onto our own grieving fans.

And go easy, manx. It's more acknowledgement than generalisation.

Yeah, i see.....pretty much sums it up for me, apologies GB but as you can see its dodgy ground to debate.

So lets just say your a "cunt" and draw a line under this

Sargie · Post by **Sargie** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:22 pm 0

Just to chime in... I totally agree with Sickboy's orginal reply to my post.

Governmentyard · Post by **Governmentyard** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:25 pm 0

No problem lads... dodgy ground it is, I agree. I probably should have considered more deeply what could be inferred from my original post though

At least you aren't fucking D*rby fans though

Check yer messages, Sickboy!

mac monkey · Post by **mac monkey** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:35 pm 0

Lets hope we don't become a Leeds

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 745612.stm

I knew we were in a lot of debt but,.......

Man City Sunday and i just put RF in my bloody Yak Yak Fantasy Footy league

Bugger.

Anyway, hopefully the start of some nice viewing, with a win from us, and no tin for the mancs against Wigan will make a pleasent Sunday afternoon