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FX23- master ov questions wrote:
KlaxonCow wrote:Totally unnecessary long quote removed.
is this post for real? :lol:
Thanks for mocking me and laughing at me.

That's a really nice thing that you're doing there in insulting someone for just trying to have a conversation on the topic of the thread.


But, don't worry, I now get the message:

You're an illiterate idiot and you want me to write things monosyllabically.


Like, yeah, the show was, like, creepy and shit. I reckon the Daleks is real. Said so in the Sun. Innit.

That woman in the show? Actually, any woman in the show. I would.

The poofter writes shit episodes. Innit.


Is this closer to the maximum extent that your brain allows?


One thing Simon (in the tea thread) didn't quite get. He posts up a link to "how to write essays that people want to read".

He didn't stop to consider that maybe I'm not trying to be populist and that if someone can't be bothered to read what I've written then that exactly filters out all the illiterate idiots who wouldn't understand it and for whom they wouldn't be interested in what I've got to say anyway.


Self-filtering, you see.


If you're a prejudiced idiot who criticises things that they haven't even been bothered to read to see if it was any good or not then you're exactly the sort of prejudiced moron that wouldn't enjoy reading it and that, with all due respect, I can't be bothered to account for.


So, yes, some people will be "scared" by seeing a lot of text. It'll frighten them. They'll hide behind the sofa because anything that demands having to read a lot of something is far more frightening to them than any Daleks or Cybermen.


Exactly.

Good.


If these same prejudiced idiots equally couldn't be arsed with continually posting up the total pointlessness of "I didn't read what you've just written" every time I post - out of interest, why should I or anyone else care what you did or didn't read? - then we'd all be happy about this here.


There was no fight brewing until you started complaining to me.


I did not post up things solely to insult you and criticise your remarks.

You did that.


And, sorry, if you think I'm just going to retract and hide away because a "regular" commands it then you really have no idea who you're talking to.


Note that the post you criticised because "no-one would read it" was read and replied to with agreement on one of the things I said by DutchLlama and Firefox and seibu responded to that too.

I was on-topic and contributing to the discussion. It was quite real and quite serious.

It was long but had some, I hope, interesting things to say.


What are you doing here?

Just bitching.


As you wronged me here, I demand that you apologise.

Now.
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Post by Gorecki »

KlaxonCow wrote:
FX23- master ov questions wrote:
KlaxonCow wrote:Totally unnecessary long quote removed.
is this post for real? :lol:
Thanks for mocking me and laughing at me.

That's a really nice thing that you're doing there in insulting someone for just trying to have a conversation on the topic of the thread.


But, don't worry, I now get the message:

You're an illiterate idiot and you want me to write things monosyllabically.
No, he's utterly gobsmacked (as we all are) at the fact that you can write such massive posts whilst seemingly oblivious to the existance of paragraphs. You probably make some interesting and valid points but most of us can't even read further than the part I quoted above. The total lack of structure reduces everything you say into a babbling mess and the only people who will take what you say seriously are those with the extreme patience to grind their way through it all.

Once again, it's not what you say, it's the way that you say it.
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Gorecki wrote:No, he's utterly gobsmacked (as we all are) at the fact that you can write such massive posts whilst seemingly oblivious to the existance of paragraphs. You probably make some interesting and valid points but most of us can't even read further than the part I quoted above. The total lack of structure reduces everything you say into a babbling mess and the only people who will take what you say seriously are those with the extreme patience to grind their way through it all.

Once again, it's not what you say, it's the way that you say it.
For me, I find this frankly comical. Absolutely hilarious.

Because, you see, I cannot now simultaneously satisify all the "writing advice" I've been given on various forums.

On one forum, I was informed that it wasn't so much that I wrote too much but it was that I packed it all into only a few paragraphs which simply contained far too many sentences.

I listened to this advice and learnt to adopt the current "one or two sentences per paragraph" style in order to satisfy the "advice" I was given at that time.

I was told that this was the "correct" way to write because the additional white space and clearly compartmentalised thoughts lead to a freer flowing text...

...or so I was told.

Now I'm being advised the complete opposite.


In all, across numerous forums, I've been told to:

1. Separate out my points across multiple postings because I put too much into an individual posting.

2. Not to double post because I should, in fact, merge multiple postings into a single post, so that they aren't separated out.

3. Use more concise language to pack more into a few setnences.

4. Use plainer language and make my points more monosyllabically over a number of sentences for better comprehension.

5. That I should use more smaller paragraphs, containing a single compartmentalised thoght in sach to make what I write more readable.

6. That I should stop uising many smaller paragraphs and use longer ones because this is unreadable.


In short, for every piece of "advice" someone has given me on a forum, someone else has given me totally contradictory advice.

All have asserted their "advice" with clear and firm authority, as if they know what they are talking about.


I'm not oblivious to the fact that there are moany fucking gits for which nothing that "the new guy" does is ever good enough. It's just that I've been "advised" so much contradictory "advice" from all and sundry about my writing - some of which I did pay attention to at the beginning, eager not to offend anyone - that I've ceased to care.

Because, plainly put, I've done what I've been asked before and it didn't make a single blind fucking bit of difference.

Whatever I did, I was "advised" that I was wrong and should be doing the other.


After a while, I came to realise that the problem was only marginally mine. I do have a tendency to ramble and digress, producing long postings.

What can I say? I actually enjoy talking. When this became a crime or a terrible sin, I don't know. But, apparently, it's now become the 8th deadly sin and carries the death penalty. Plus, eternal damnation thrown in as well, no doubt.


Tet, the most contradictory thing for me is that, in some forums, I'm genuinely praised for my writing as being highly eloquent with a turn of phrase. But, in others, I'm a lesser animal than the spawn of Satan because I have: no paragraphs / too many paragraphs / sentences that are too long / sentences that aren't long enough. Dekete as applicable.


One forum I am praised for my writing and asked if I've considered writing novels. On another forum, I'm told that I lack even the most fundamental appreciation of basic literacy.


Logically, it's as simple as this: Someone is lying.

As such, I ignore all "advice" because none of the self-proclaimed literacy experts ever consistently agree on the same piece of "advice".


The only consistent pattern I've noticed is that all these complaints happen when I'm newly posting to a forum.

The conclusion I've drawn from that observation is that this is probably simply "bully the new guy to see how far you can push" syndrome.

Especially because, elsewhere, those who initially were critical of my writing then later praised me for an exceptionally good ability at writing about pretty much anything clearly and without bullshit.

The critic becoming the "fan": It was just too much hypocrisy to bear.


It seems Abraham Lincoln was right: You can't please all of the people all of the time. So I gave up even trying.

You hate me. I get it.

I'm too assertive for "the new guy" or I made a comment about Doctor Who which was an opinion that contradicts your fundamental worldview. Maybe I over-punctuate or wrongly punctuate or choose shorter or longer paragraphs than you personally would.

Whatever. You hate me and you're letting me know, so that I back down from assertiveness or become too shy to repeat my comments or this is simply brow beating your opinion over mine by criticising my writing until I meekly become too coy to fight my corner.


The problem is that this has just happened too often and the reasons stated are contradictory and never the same for any two critics.

Whatever is really bugging people - the blunt personality is a likely possibilty - it's not me who's being too shy and too coy, it's my critics who bizarrely seem to not criticise what they actually think is the problem but choose some random "technical issue" they've just made up to complain.

I initially accomodated such "advice" - I am blunt and will always fight my corner but I genuinely am not a confrontational person by nature and always try to seek neutral ground or accomodate a genuine concern - but it frankly became so ludicrous and contradictory after a while that I've been forced no real option in the matter but to ignore it. Though I try to remain fair and, therefore, I ignore all of it equally.

And understand that I was simply offered no choice in this matter: Accomodating one critic was displeasing another who thought I should adopt the polar opposite.


But, as I say, one pattern emerged:

1. The criticisms all appear when I'm "new guy" to the forum.

2. The criticisms all appear after I've been in a heated debate on a topic.

3. The criticisms most often come from those who I was arguging the opposite to in that heated debate.

4. Once "new guy" shows that he's no-one's fool and won't be pushed around so easily, all criticism stops (and it even goes so far as to have found those critics praising my writing later on).


Conclusion:

You're testing me out. Seeing where my limits are. Pushing me to see how far I'll go. Baiting me to see how I react to being pushed.

I'm "the new guy" in the schoolyard and you're calling me "four eyes" to see if I'll jump and how high.

Now that I've posted once too often to simply be "passing through", I'm being assessed to see if I'm the new bully or the new victim.

But, to save time, the way it works with me is pretty simple. If you want to be the bully then you've picked the wrong guy in the playground, as I've slayed dragons and intellectual giants when on top form. But I do not seek confrontation, I merely won't tolerate it when it is sent my way. Treat me fairly and respectfully then you'll never hear a single bad word out of me ever.


But, to be clear, it's not the way you say it, it's what you're saying:

Everyone considers themselves the literary expert who knows how and where I'm going wrong but all such "advice" has been contradictory and wholly inconsistent: If I really were at fault then surely all self-proclaimed literary experts would be quoting the exact same fault.

But they don't - it's a new "problem" each and every time - and, therefore, I either end up like HAL in 2001 trying to follow irrational contradictory advice to the point of madness or I ignore all such "programming" because it's clearly flawed in some regard.

I've opted for the latter, as the retention of some semblence of sanity sounded the preferrable option.


i know, I know. I didn't phone through first to book an appointment. I didn't pull a ticket with a number on it from the ticket machine. The cheek of "the new guy" to make a "suggestion" on his first day. Kids today, they don't know they're born. Who let all this riff-raff into the room? That one's smoking a joint and that one's got spots! If I had my way...

..I'd have the lot of you shot.


But, as much as I enjoy Pink Floyd, maybe it's about time we changed the record. Let us not go through all that nonsense and just get to the crunch: Liek me or hate me. Decide now and if I'm "black balled" here then I'll leave without making a fuss.

Life's simply too short and already full of bullshit to let a trivial clash of personalities get in the way. I can happily overlook it. Can you?


p.s. Yes, to quote the Doctor, I'm the nightmare monsters have. :wink: :lol:
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Post by Driller »

I read your post because:

a. I found it easy to read
b. I thought it was an interesting read

Personally, I don't mind long or short posts as long as I am interested in the subject matter (if I'm not then I'm usually not in a thread or I don't have anything worthwhile to add) and the post interests me. I've read posts on other forums that were very very long but the writer created a structure that made the post coherent. On the other hand, I've read one line posts (sometimes one word!) that look like a complete idiot wrote them.

Going back briefly to something I posted, I think Doctor Who should have been cancelled in the early 80s when the American import shows dominated Saturdays. Who didn't have the money to compete with those new shows and the lack of budget really showed. It didn't matter so much in the 60's and 70's because sci-fi production values were lower and the show didn't look as cheap. Now though, fx technology has become so cheap and widespread that someone in their room can do the fx and it doesn't cost much (apparently Red Dwarf season 8's fx was created by one guy in his room).
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Driller wrote:(apparently Red Dwarf season 8's fx was created by one guy in his room).
Ah, so thats why it was shite ;)
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KlaxonCow wrote:

But, to save time, the way it works with me is pretty simple. If you want to be the bully then you've picked the wrong guy in the playground, as I've slayed dragons and intellectual giants when on top form. But I do not seek confrontation, I merely won't tolerate it when it is sent my way. Treat me fairly and respectfully then you'll never hear a single bad word out of me ever.
I think you sent the dragons and intellectual giants to sleep
Klaxoncow wrote: But they don't - it's a new "problem" each and every time - and, therefore, I either end up like HAL in 2001 trying to follow irrational contradictory advice to the point of madness or I ignore all such "programming" because it's clearly flawed in some regard.
If people read your posts as slowly as HAL talks it would take 3 weeks to read one
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Life's simply too short and already full of bullshit to let a trivial clash of personalities get in the way. I can happily overlook it. Can you?
It is also too short for 7 page posts :wink:
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Stevo wrote:If people read your posts as slowly as HAL talks it would take 3 weeks to read one
Then it's very lucky that this is not the case. :D
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Stevo wrote:
KlaxonCow wrote:

Klaxoncow wrote:
Life's simply too short and already full of bullshit to let a trivial clash of personalities get in the way. I can happily overlook it. Can you?
It is also too short for 7 page posts :wink:
Damn right - plus the tendency to repeat himself within the same post puts me off even trying. I'm afraid I now automatically skip his entire posts.
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KlaxonCow, i think the solution to your conundrum would be to adopt the house style of whichever forum you are posting to. YakYak in my experience favours a conversational style, where each poster makes a couple of points at most and then lets someone else contribute.

You know how it is when you're having a good chat with a group of people, and then someone comes along and monopolises the conversation by droning on for half an hour? It's fine on the odd occasion, and they have an engaging story to tell. But if someone repeatedly comes along and goes on and on for ages, saying pretty much the same thing 10 different ways, then people start to avoid them.

I don't think anyone hates you, or is intellectually alpha-maling you, it's just them telling you in their own ways that they're not into the your style of posting, and hoping you will adopt a style more in tune with the group, so they can actually read your contributions rather than tune out as another long and winding drone comes down the wires.

Anyway, i hope you understand i'm just trying to offer a helpful analysis of the situation, and it's not about trying to make you look stupid or anything.

Peace out. :fluffy:
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yes all well and good but i dont really care HOW people layout what they want to say on here, its what people have to say that counts :)

anyway, amazingly the last two ep's of Dr WHO were actually quite good, and both NOT written by R.T.Davis. hmmm coincidence? :?
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Post by Zoot »

KlaxonCow,

you have been a great help to me with my Flash stuff in the Programming forum, so I reckon that you are a pretty decent guy.

I don't think that people are objecting to you personally in any way, but rather that your posts are long and sometimes difficult to read.

Try not to feel personally insulted, and look out for those smilies and winkies :D

On here, it is perfectly normal to feel complimented when called a CUNT, for instance, so just smile and carry on doing what you feel to be right.
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KlaxonCow wrote:stuff. lots.
you sound like your on crack to be honest.
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FX23- master ov questions wrote:CUNT! :wink:
Aww, shucks, thanks! :D
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cidermen tonight isnt it.. not a rtd episode i hope?
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