The Dr Who thread

Darwin · Post by **Darwin** » Sat May 13, 2006 8:42 pm 0

I thought it was a excellent episode, but a crippled megalomaniac creating machine beings against the express wishes of the government?

Hmm...

Plus, evil Trigger was great!

pogo · Post by **pogo** » Sat May 13, 2006 8:43 pm 0

Well a teaser would have given away whether they survived - now who can say.

Anyway, there are Cybermen on on BBC4 right now, as they have an evening in celebration of robots on TV (or something like that).

Flabio · Post by **Flabio** » Sat May 13, 2006 8:44 pm 0

Nicely paced, it got to the end and I still only thought we were about 20 minutes in.

Liked the way they did the whole Rickey / Mickey thing as well. See, the Doctor always knows...

KlaxonCow · Post by **KlaxonCow** » Sat May 13, 2006 8:58 pm 0

Istar wrote:Yeah not bad. Not sure about re-writing the Cyberman origin as coming from Earth, although I guess they may have moved to Mondas at a later date.

But it's a parallel universe, so these are "parallel" cybermen with a "parallel" origin.

Presumably, the "real" non-parallel cybermen are still out there in the "real" universe and still come from Mondas.

That might make an interesting plotline later on.

possible spoiler / mild speculation wrote:Actually, isn't the final episode this series also going to be a Cybermen episode? So if they presumably fix the TARDIS to get back into the "real" universe after this, then, logically, the plotline very probably is going to be something like that. If they do have "parallel" and "non-parallel" Cybermen, I wonder if that means we'll actually get a minor variation in the Cybermen costumes within a single series. Probably not. Costs too much money. But that would be kind of cool, if they return to the "real "universe and the Cybermen actually look slightly different yet again. It'd be a winning strategy for the guys who make the Doctor action figures, Then you'd have to get two sets. "Parallel Cyberman" and "Mondas Cyberman". Ah, it won't happen but it's an interesting idea.

arron · Post by **arron** » Sat May 13, 2006 8:59 pm 0

Hmm, Genesis of the Cybermen.

The good thing about a parallel earth is like what happened in Inferno with the primords. They can have the Cybermen completely take over..the doctor winds up completely powerless to stop it..and they have to run away. There's no way they can stop it. Millions of transhumanoid soldiers and no matter how sonic the screwdriver, it will be out of batteries eventually

offyoutoddle · Post by **offyoutoddle** » Sat May 13, 2006 9:36 pm 0

just finished watching the dr who confidential - haven't bothered before, but really wanted to this time. Nearly wet myself laughing when they were talking about the cybermen voices. They said they didn't want the 'Darth Vader' effect. So who thought Metal Mickey was a better choice then????

And they had straight faces, as if they thought it was better!

Please insert personal opinion type disclaimers here in an attempt to avoid a flame war. I can't think of any.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » Sat May 13, 2006 9:36 pm 0

Hmmm... The Cybermen didn't have quite the same menace as the '80s Cybermen for me. They really need the slow but relentless gait and the mechanical breathing noises...

Oh well, they've got the sinister bit of people being converted against their will and it not being fun at all, and that's important. We'll see what happens in part two.

Rev. Stuart Campbell · Sat May 13, 2006 10:20 pm 0

Worst episode since it came back. Nothing happened, and took forever to do it. There wasn't enough content in there to fill a trailer, never mind a whole episode. And after last week's deft Moffat wordsmithery, the dialogue would have embarrassed a school play.

[mopey Doc]And the universe got a little less... kind[/mopey Doc]

And what sort of a ham was that playing Trigger's henchman? And the ridiculous bit where they get the winos into the truck but fail to notice some kid trying to talk them out of it, and then filming the whole thing. And what the fuck was he doing there anyway?

Cybermen looked cool, sounded absurd. I never saw them before, so maybe I'm missing some nostalgia kick or something. And even the cliffhanger was shitty. "Delete! Delete! Delete!" Well get on with it then, you great metal ponce. Everyone else just got zapped, why are you suddenly standing around making a song and dance about it now, but not actually doing it?

And more dead people from previous episodes brought back too. Sigh. Absolute shit, 2/10.

The ghost of raids past · Sat May 13, 2006 10:31 pm 0

Wonder how these cybermen will react to gold. Still at least the cybermen were responsible for removing Adric from Dr Who, for that they should be praised

Driller · Post by **Driller** » Sat May 13, 2006 10:32 pm 0

The ghost of raids past wrote:Wonder how these cybermen will react to gold. Still at least the cybermen were responsible for removing Adric from Dr Who, for that they should be praised

Pity they didn't do a crossover episode with ST:TNG and got rid of that fucktard Crusher

IronGiant · Post by **IronGiant** » Sat May 13, 2006 11:19 pm 0

Rev. Stuart Campbell wrote:Worst episode since it came back. Nothing happened, and took forever to do it. There wasn't enough content in there to fill a trailer, never mind a whole episode. And after last week's deft Moffat wordsmithery, the dialogue would have embarrassed a school play.

[mopey Doc]And the universe got a little less... kind[/mopey Doc]

And what sort of a ham was that playing Trigger's henchman? And the ridiculous bit where they get the winos into the truck but fail to notice some kid trying to talk them out of it, and then filming the whole thing. And what the fuck was he doing there anyway?

Cybermen looked cool, sounded absurd. I never saw them before, so maybe I'm missing some nostalgia kick or something. And even the cliffhanger was shitty. "Delete! Delete! Delete!" Well get on with it then, you great metal ponce. Everyone else just got zapped, why are you suddenly standing around making a song and dance about it now, but not actually doing it?

And more dead people from previous episodes brought back too. Sigh. Absolute shit, 2/10.

Ahhh, finally, I've found someone like-minded - yup, couldn't agree more Stuart. That was some of the worst New Doctor Who that I've yet witnessed. Absolutely crap from start to finish. Piss-poor writing, awfully plotted and the direction was all to pot.

Some have compared this to Genesis of the Daleks - that is, to be honest, an insult to Genesis. Rise of the Cybermen absolutely pales in comparison.

Extraordinarily disappointing and generally very, very poor indeed.

Maybe the conclusion next week will be better? It would have a job to be any worse.

Elk · Post by **Elk** » Sun May 14, 2006 12:02 am 0

Overall I liked it but I am sucker for art deco and zepplins ...

I agree thought Trigger was shite and what the hell have they done with Rose? I dont like her anymore .. She has gotten all jealous and whingy..

IronGiant · Post by **IronGiant** » Sun May 14, 2006 12:10 am 0

Elk wrote:Overall I liked it but I am sucker for art deco and zepplins ...

I agree thought Trigger was shite

Yes, surprisingly bad wasn't he?

and what the hell have they done with Rose? I dont like her anymore .. She has gotten all jealous and whingy..

I'm hoping that they yank out what there is of her selfish, self-centred, immature little brain and bung it into a Cyberman/Woman/whatever.

Then blow it up.

Yes.

Nice.

I like it.

Well, I can dream ............

Ollie · Post by **Ollie** » Sun May 14, 2006 12:36 am 0

Col wrote:Has now been moved to 7.20, due to the scousers knicking the FA cup

Absolute fucking bastard cunts! I was out tonight, missed the bastard end of the thing thanks to this! Now I'll have to watch the lower-quality BBC3 repeat

merman · Post by **merman** » Sun May 14, 2006 12:59 am 0

Istar wrote:Yeah not bad. Not sure about re-writing the Cyberman origin as coming from Earth, although I guess they may have moved to Mondas at a later date.

Good costumes, though. Nice to see Trigger doing well for himself too.

The Doctor did say "I've seen it before..."

I thought it was a solid foundation to build a two-parter on. Whether the structure of part 2 holds up, we'll have to see...