The Dr Who thread

[Ollie]

This is part of my Looney Theory: The cybermen overrun earth#2 leaving the doc to retreat back to the main timeline. Then, during the end of season finale thingy, the cybermen penetrate across invading 'our' earth.

Well that would be an improvement on the way they linked the two Dalek stories last year. i.e., no link at all. They just happened to have two completely unconnected encounters with a supposedly extinct species within one series.

[merman]

Actually, I think the actor did a good job with Rickey... last week we had Mickey with the "gun" (fire extinguisher) running around, doing the silly commando roll and trying to look macho... This week we meet Rickey who is REALLY LIKE THAT... and understandably freaked out at meeting someone pretending to be him. It worked for me.

[Muphex]

Now I am no Doctor Who head so did a quick search on google and got this....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondas_(Doctor_Who)

(Sorry couldn't make it link coz I'm thick but you'll need to copy it with the bit saying doctor who in brackets or it takes you to a very uninformative page)

I reckon they'll be some sort of tie in.....or I could be overestimating the writers.

[KlaxonCow]

And my last thought was from the movie Who... in the intro, it said timelords have a certain number of lives - I believe tennant has gone beyond the set number of regenerations - is there an official explanation for this yet or will they just try to write it out later in the show do you think ?

I think it was 13 regenerations.

Therefore, they haven't yet reached it with the Doctor.

But, if you remember the movie, then you'll also remember that the Master had actually gone through all of his 13 and that's why he was some liquid blob thing that the Doctor was kindly delivering back to Galifrey.

"Somehow" - due to 'science' and that - the Master still came back and, therefore, exceeded the limit.

If he can do it then they can always have the Doctor also "somehow" doing this at 13, resetting it back to 1.

Although, there is one thing to consider:

Though we all say "1st doctor" and "2nd doctor", this is actually measured from when we first meet the Doctor and he's shown as having already been around the block a few times on his adventures, even right at the start.

So, for all we know, where we say "1st doctor" that might be his 5th regeneration or something.

Also - I'm not sure of this but I thought I heard someone else here mention it - isn't the limitation fake, in the sense that it is imposed by the Timelords?

Therefore, no Timelords = no restrictions.

Maybe, in fact, they already thought of this ahead of time and that is why the Timelords are all dead now.

Actually, more generally, killing the Timelords could be a general "catch-all" excuse for ignoring large sections of previously established bullshit by, you know, saying "ah, that was only not possible because the Timelords forbade it but now they're dead, it's possible" (e.g. like in the episode with Rose's father before).

It's sci-fi and it's not Star Trek pedantic sci-fi either: They'll just make up some excuse at the appropriate time.


"Rose, because I travelled to a parallel universe, this actually had the effect of resetting my regenerations back to 1 again"

"how's that work, Doctor?"

"Fuck knows. But it says so in the script".

"Fair enough. Let's go fight the Daleks again"

[Stuart B]

[Driller]

And my last thought was from the movie Who... in the intro, it said timelords have a certain number of lives - I believe tennant has gone beyond the set number of regenerations - is there an official explanation for this yet or will they just try to write it out later in the show do you think ?

I think it was 13 regenerations.

Therefore, they haven't yet reached it with the Doctor.

But, if you remember the movie, then you'll also remember that the Master had actually gone through all of his 13 and that's why he was some liquid blob thing that the Doctor was kindly delivering back to Galifrey.

"Somehow" - due to 'science' and that - the Master still came back and, therefore, exceeded the limit.

If he can do it then they can always have the Doctor also "somehow" doing this at 13, resetting it back to 1.

Although, there is one thing to consider:

Though we all say "1st doctor" and "2nd doctor", this is actually measured from when we first meet the Doctor and he's shown as having already been around the block a few times on his adventures, even right at the start.

So, for all we know, where we say "1st doctor" that might be his 5th regeneration or something.

Also - I'm not sure of this but I thought I heard someone else here mention it - isn't the limitation fake, in the sense that it is imposed by the Timelords?

Therefore, no Timelords = no restrictions.

Maybe, in fact, they already thought of this ahead of time and that is why the Timelords are all dead now.

Actually, more generally, killing the Timelords could be a general "catch-all" excuse for ignoring large sections of previously established bullshit by, you know, saying "ah, that was only not possible because the Timelords forbade it but now they're dead, it's possible" (e.g. like in the episode with Rose's father before).

It's sci-fi and it's not Star Trek pedantic sci-fi either: They'll just make up some excuse at the appropriate time.


"Rose, because I travelled to a parallel universe, this actually had the effect of resetting my regenerations back to 1 again"

"how's that work, Doctor?"

"Fuck knows. But it says so in the script".

"Fair enough. Let's go fight the Daleks again"

According to what I've read, (fuck knows if it's canon although it is stuff that's been in the books so ....) Rassilon genetically manipulated the Timelord genes and added certain "advantages" from the Great Vampire race. This is why a Timelord can regenerate a certain number of times. I believe the limit is genetic, not imposed. Also from what I remember, Timelords were "born" from a genetic matrix back on Gallifrey. There was a third powerful Timelord (apart from Rassilon and Omega) called "the other" who entered the matrix and was supposedly reincarnated as the Doctor. This is partly why every so often, there's something "more" about the Doctor than there should be.

I haven't read the book but I understand that "Lungbarrow" answers a fair few questions about the Doctor.

[Alarm]

I try to limit my smilie usage, but that does deserve a:

[KlaxonCow]

Of course, there is one cunning possibility if you can get Paul McGann prepared to play the Doctor again in a running series (and get Eccleston to appear for one episode for the regeneration sequence).

"Doctor Who: The Missing Years"

We never actually saw McGann regenerate into Eccleston.

There is a gap there.

Therefore, spin-off series: "Doctor Who: The Missing Years" which has all the adventures of the McGann incarnation that we never actually got to see.

Kind of like the Star Wars "prequels".


Also, we don't know for sure - do we? - whether William Hartnell really was the Doctor's first incarnation. For all we know, he was the 3rd regeneration or something. He's just the first incarnation that we actually see in the show.

[Matrixxx]

I dont think they will go near the McGann thing - his tardis contained "The EYE" - the most powerful energy source to exist (or something like that) - and in last weeks episode, he shed 40 years (10 years for each second) by blowing on a ruddy backup power cell. Surely if the Eye is the start all and end all of power sources - why not just plug into that !! hell, why not bring the master back from within it somehow ! - the possibility creates too many questions I would think.

So possible, but doubtful.

[KlaxonCow]

I dont think they will go near the McGann thing

No, I didn't think so either.

I just thought "the Missing Years" spin-off series idea was too cool not to mention it. Even if there is not a hope in hell of it ever happening.


It's like Buffy and Stargate: You just pretend the movie never happened and ignore that the movie and TV series have incompatibilities.


(With the Buffy movie - which was so dreafully bad that it's bizarre that such an excellent TV series came from such a pile of shit movie and I think Joss Whedon has "officially disowned" it or something like that - the vampires could fly but this doesn't happen in the TV series.

With Stargate, the movie isn't embarassing - it's quite good - but the TV series went off on a tangent to create a whole universe and backstory, where the Goa'uld aliens are turned into symbiotic "snakes" that take over people's bodies. Which doesn't tally with what the movie shows the alien race to look like. Though the series did later come up with an explanation for that, so they eventually fixed the "incompatibility" with a "retcon" about a race of creatures called the Unas.)

[Driller]

Of course, there is one cunning possibility if you can get Paul McGann prepared to play the Doctor again in a running series (and get Eccleston to appear for one episode for the regeneration sequence).

"Doctor Who: The Missing Years"

We never actually saw McGann regenerate into Eccleston.

There is a gap there.

Therefore, spin-off series: "Doctor Who: The Missing Years" which has all the adventures of the McGann incarnation that we never actually got to see.

Kind of like the Star Wars "prequels".


Also, we don't know for sure - do we? - whether William Hartnell really was the Doctor's first incarnation. For all we know, he was the 3rd regeneration or something. He's just the first incarnation that we actually see in the show.

Check out the Eighth Doctor audio plays by Big Finish

[daniel thomas]

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Doctor reunion episode for the third season, but it seems the writers are trying to limit the nostalgia to a couple times per season. Sonic Screwdriver & Daleks; Sarah Jane & K9 & Cybermen. Yadda yadda. Can't they just bring back Captain Kirk or Arthur Dent or Crow T. Robot instead?

[merman]

I dont think they will go near the McGann thing - his tardis contained "The EYE" - the most powerful energy source to exist (or something like that) - and in last weeks episode, he shed 40 years (10 years for each second) by blowing on a ruddy backup power cell. Surely if the Eye is the start all and end all of power sources - why not just plug into that !! hell, why not bring the master back from within it somehow ! - the possibility creates too many questions I would think.

So possible, but doubtful.

They are outside the Tardis's universe, so they can't connect to it (at least that's how I interpreted it). I also reckon that casual action could come back to haunt the Doctor...


As for McGann, I'd like to see him back in Who... possibly in an "Evil Leaper" type of role...

[SadisticToaster]

And my last thought was from the movie Who... in the intro, it said timelords have a certain number of lives - I believe tennant has gone beyond the set number of regenerations - is there an official explanation for this yet or will they just try to write it out later in the show do you think ?

Think he's number 10.

Remember watching an episode of Who which shows that there were earlier incarnations of the Doctor ( as in , before William Hartnell ) , but can not remember it's name. Tom Baker was actually the last regeneration of the Doctor , which is why his regeneration into Peter Davidson was different to the usual process - all that stuff with the Watcher. Think I read somewhere that when he merged with the Watcher , his cycle was reset.

Or something like that , this is all written off very fuzzy memories.

[Kelloggs]

Right, let's throw this into the mix:

*pulls pin, lobs, runs like merry fuck*

The Valeyard. Regeneration *mumble*. Trial Of A Time-Lord.

Anyone who's seen it, will know what goes in *mumble*. Anyone who hasn't, hasn't had it spoiled for them...