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daniel thomas wrote:Just saw the latest episode after some bt trouble. As much as I'm a Cybermen fan, and I am glad to see them back, I thought this episode was a dud. It just didn't do it for me. For the most part, this week's show was a collection of cliches, and it just felt, well, mechanical.

The thing is, this could have been a monster-chiller-horror-theatre classic, with Cybermen nighmares in everybody's heads for the rest of their lives. Perfect example is the scene in an underground sewer, which was lit only by flashlight. Please, please, please, I begged. Just let one of the monsters snap his hand out. Boom!

Scaring people, really, is pretty easy when you know how. It's cheap, too, but if it works, you've got them paranoid for the rest of the show. You can really work an audience over. Isn't that the point to a villian like a Cyberman? It plays not only on our fears of mortality, but something even worse: the loss of our humanity. Instead, all we get is a load of marching. Spare me; I feel like I'm watching a Michael Jackson video. I'm just waiting for one of them to start the dance moves.

And what happened to the politics? The pop satire was one of Davies' best tricks with the new Who. There hasn't been a single political jab since the Christmas episode, which was completely ruined because of that hideous fight scene at the end. Why are they all trying to become Jerry Bruckheimer all of a sudden?

I still think this second season is a good one, but it just feels like they're playing it safe, treading water, when they should be taking risks.
Pretty summed it up for me as well. The one point that the doctor could have really laid into the Cybercontroller was that if you put everyone into a machine, and everyone is the same, then there is no variation, no adaptation. In our universe, this is what caused the downfall of the cybermen..a single failing cybermen had to gold that humans were able to exploit. One race, one empire..one single point of failure.

I think also that it would have been better had the cybermen not been destroyed. In real life, the cyberarmy would have rapidly overwhelmed any resistance, given their ability to communicate with each other over wireless. The doctor would have had to fight a retreat back to the TARDIS knowing he'd lost. And they didn't make a lot of the fact that Jackie had been assimilated. That would have been even more chilling had it been done right..it did seem very throwaway in how it was handled. I've seen more emotion at an Oscar presentation..

Perhaps it's the time slot. At 7pm, you can't scare the kiddies senseless, or leave them traumatised with people being processed through a cannery..
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arron wrote: Perhaps it's the time slot. At 7pm, you can't scare the kiddies senseless, or leave them traumatised with people being processed through a cannery..
In days past you could, but not in today's "If there's blame, there's a claim!" culture.
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:( I hoped for SO much ..... dissapointing.
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Jackie got turned into a cyberman and then died in horrible agony and insanity. Honestly. There's no pleasing some people ;)
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HGFB wrote:Jackie got turned into a cyberman and then died in horrible agony and insanity. Honestly. There's no pleasing some people ;)
I thought Jackie got turned into a Cyberman, then along with the rest of them, got down to throw some funky shapes on the dancefloor?

Or at least that's what it looked like! :lol:
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arron wrote:In real life, the cyberarmy would have rapidly overwhelmed any resistance, given their ability to communicate with each other over wireless.
Skipping lightly over the "in real life" part of that sentence :D , wasn't the point that the cyber army were too busy going (understandably) FREAKOUT BATSHIT MENTAL at the realisation of what had been done to them to start worrying about military strategy? That was about the only part of the whole 90 minutes of series-nadir rubbish that I liked.
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Col wrote:I thought Jackie got turned into a Cyberman, then along with the rest of them, got down to throw some funky shapes on the dancefloor?

Or at least that's what it looked like! :lol:
Throw down funky shapes, die in horrible agony. You say tomato... ;)
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Kemper_Boyd wrote:
Flabio wrote:I've said it before, but Moffat needs to be writing the whole thing.
I agree with that too.
Gets my vote. Has anyone been listening to the commentaries on the website/BBC3 repeat? He's even funny in those.
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Empty Child and The Doctor Dances are my fave episodes in series 1. I can't decide between Girl in the Fireplace and School Reunion in this series but I'd probably lean towards Moffat and Fireplace.

However it would seem that we're the minority. The general public who've now discovered Doctor Who seem to prefer stuff like Aliens of London/World War Three style romps. I'm sure the Cybermen story went down well with them too.
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I have just watched it and enjoyed it.........
Fuck the over analysis
Sit back, Relax and enjoy
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Stevo wrote:I have just watched it and enjoyed it.........
Fuck the over analysis
Sit back, Relax and enjoy
Man, that attitude makes me want to start world wars.
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Here you go. This paragraph is talking about the AI figures for Rise of the Cybermen
The audience Appreciation Index (AI) for the episode was 86. This is not only the highest of the second series, it is also among the highest for Doctor Who since the series return - only The Parting of the Ways (89) scored higher.
I quite enjoyed Age of Steel (More than Rise anyway). A nice simple romp that I could switch my brain off to and punch the air when shit got broke ;)

Now next week I'm really looking forward to. Alien invasion in 1953 via TV sets, Maureen Lipman being menacing and the Doc riding a moped. After that we get the The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit two parter. (That's the one where they blow the budget trying to make a really good alien planet. New Earth doesn't count. It was just a clifftop in Wales and some average cgi)
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Rev. Stuart Campbell wrote:
Stevo wrote:I have just watched it and enjoyed it.........
Fuck the over analysis
Sit back, Relax and enjoy
Man, that attitude makes me want to start world wars.
Not everything has to be made to heavily engage the brain. Sometimes I read nice heavy hard sci-fi, sometimes I switch my brain off and go with the Pratchet flow.

There's a time for new Battlestar Galactica and there's a time to wax your.. err wrong show... and there's a time for Rise of the Cybermen
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HGFB wrote: Not everything has to be made to heavily engage the brain. Sometimes I read nice heavy hard sci-fi, sometimes I switch my brain off and go with the Pratchet flow.
Hey, I watch Two And A Half Men. There's a difference between "lightweight" and "just plain shit", though.
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